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Re: CBS Sports 2024 Mock Draft

Post by Cascade Kid » Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:01 pm

Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2023 6:18 pm
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I'm just going to put this out here, Cameron Ward is the second best NFL QB prospect for 2024
:lol:
If you think that is funny, here's my top NFL draft QBs as of right now. Subject to change if one of them does not declare, of course.

#1 Caleb Williams (Perennial pro bowler with all the QB tools; arm, legs, reads, anticipation)
#2 JJ McCarthy (Sees the field really well, great anticipation, tends to hold the ball a little long though, but has the legs to do so)
#3 Drake Maye (Great arm, but slowish release. Tends to sit and wait on his first read, a little slow at locating his check downs. Does throw with decent anticipation, but not always the best placement.)
#4 Jayden Daniels (Lightening fast, great arm with a tight spiral. However, he is a single read passer that lacks anticipation. Will run if he's primary read is not open, might become a faster version of Baker Mayfield in the NFL)

I think Cameron Ward is very similar to JJ McCarthy as a passer. Great anticipation and can continue to move through his reads.

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Re: CBS Sports 2024 Mock Draft

Post by Sexymarinersfan » Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:29 pm

Cascade Kid wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:01 pm
Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2023 6:18 pm
Cascade Kid wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2023 3:32 am
I'm just going to put this out here, Cameron Ward is the second best NFL QB prospect for 2024
:lol:
If you think that is funny, here's my top NFL draft QBs as of right now. Subject to change if one of them does not declare, of course.

#1 Caleb Williams (Perennial pro bowler with all the QB tools; arm, legs, reads, anticipation)
#2 JJ McCarthy (Sees the field really well, great anticipation, tends to hold the ball a little long though, but has the legs to do so)
#3 Drake Maye (Great arm, but slowish release. Tends to sit and wait on his first read, a little slow at locating his check downs. Does throw with decent anticipation, but not always the best placement.)
#4 Jayden Daniels (Lightening fast, great arm with a tight spiral. However, he is a single read passer that lacks anticipation. Will run if he's primary read is not open, might become a faster version of Baker Mayfield in the NFL)

I think Cameron Ward is very similar to JJ McCarthy as a passer. Great anticipation and can continue to move through his reads.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one has seen enough from McCarthy to determine as to whether or not he can be a next level QB in the NFL. I blame the system that Harbough has him in. And if you think that Daniels is a one read QB, then you've lost all credibility to any discussion involving QB reviews. A one read QB was Malik Willis. Jayden Daniels is a far superior talent than that.

https://youtu.be/T0AxivphHpk?si=z9SpI7-L5_Cl2xAd

https://youtu.be/aCDL421ooWw?si=pOFMT3ii3Q_IoYXl

https://www.youtube.com/live/th-zU0uioG ... hTyq0jD31g

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Re: CBS Sports 2024 Mock Draft

Post by Cascade Kid » Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:59 pm

Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:29 pm
Cascade Kid wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:01 pm
Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2023 6:18 pm


:lol:
If you think that is funny, here's my top NFL draft QBs as of right now. Subject to change if one of them does not declare, of course.

#1 Caleb Williams (Perennial pro bowler with all the QB tools; arm, legs, reads, anticipation)
#2 JJ McCarthy (Sees the field really well, great anticipation, tends to hold the ball a little long though, but has the legs to do so)
#3 Drake Maye (Great arm, but slowish release. Tends to sit and wait on his first read, a little slow at locating his check downs. Does throw with decent anticipation, but not always the best placement.)
#4 Jayden Daniels (Lightening fast, great arm with a tight spiral. However, he is a single read passer that lacks anticipation. Will run if he's primary read is not open, might become a faster version of Baker Mayfield in the NFL)

I think Cameron Ward is very similar to JJ McCarthy as a passer. Great anticipation and can continue to move through his reads.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one has seen enough from McCarthy to determine as to whether or not he can be a next level QB in the NFL. I blame the system that Harbough has him in. And if you think that Daniels is a one read QB, then you've lost all credibility to any discussion involving QB reviews. A one read QB was Malik Willis. Jayden Daniels is a far superior talent than that.

https://youtu.be/T0AxivphHpk?si=z9SpI7-L5_Cl2xAd

https://youtu.be/aCDL421ooWw?si=pOFMT3ii3Q_IoYXl

https://www.youtube.com/live/th-zU0uioG ... hTyq0jD31g
Just watch video man. Watch the logo on the side of his helment, it will help you know if he's running through his options. Far more often than not his logo is fixed on his first option target. There are only a couple times he moves to his second option. He also often fails to throw open his WRs when he should be. He's lucky to only have 4 INTs this year, or better yet, having Malik Nabers to throw to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61NpouYvhNE&t=390s


McCarthy on the other hand is processing his reads. He even directs a receiver to change his route into open field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYePSHOl2QY&t=160s

Here's an exercise for you. Look up some college highlight film on Mahomes, Brady, and even Brock Purdy. You will see a common thread with these QBs which is that they have quick and power drop steps, stand with a firm base, and throw with anticipation with concise decision making. Then go back and compare these college highlights with Daniels, Maye, Williams and McCarthy.

If you go to last year's highlight film on Young you will see how late his throws are. He gets them there, but the timing was a little slow. But all the expert pundits thought he had elite anticipation, but that was not true at all.

Williams and McCarthy both have excellent anticipation and can see a broad picture of the field which helps them move throw their checks quickly. Maye and Daniels get fixated and it takes them a while to move to another option if they ever do.

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Re: CBS Sports 2024 Mock Draft

Post by Cascade Kid » Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:42 pm

Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:29 pm

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one has seen enough from McCarthy to determine as to whether or not he can be a next level QB in the NFL. I blame the system that Harbough has him in. And if you think that Daniels is a one read QB, then you've lost all credibility to any discussion involving QB reviews. A one read QB was Malik Willis. Jayden Daniels is a far superior talent than that.

https://youtu.be/T0AxivphHpk?si=z9SpI7-L5_Cl2xAd

https://youtu.be/aCDL421ooWw?si=pOFMT3ii3Q_IoYXl

https://www.youtube.com/live/th-zU0uioG ... hTyq0jD31g
I don't know why you sent 3.5 hours of links of people talking about their opinions. Not sure if you've watch any of these videos or not. But in the first link, once the guy gets to JJ McCarthy, he even says that McCarthy could be a top 10 pick. So I'm not sure why you attached these links and then gave your opinion that nobody has seen enough of McCarthy.

The second video is literally two guys just tossing up names in a mock draft without any real context as to why these guys would be drafted in these spots. That video was a waste of 30 minuts.

The last video is 2 hours long, and based on the first two videos I'm not going to invest the time to likely hear 2 or 3 other guys give their random opinions about their mock drafts.

I spend less than an hour per year watching YouTube mock drafts in any given year. I've now used up this time and have gained nothing, but I don't feel I ever gain much value from watching them either.

Here's what you should be doing. Watch game film, know what a good player looks like by using a historical analogue such as watching successful NFL QBs, know what a college superstar/NFL dud looks like, learn what good QB traits are, and think for yourself. Otherwise you'll just be a sheep that follows everyone's random mock draft.

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Re: CBS Sports 2024 Mock Draft

Post by Sexymarinersfan » Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:43 pm

Cascade Kid wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:59 pm
Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:29 pm
Cascade Kid wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:01 pm


If you think that is funny, here's my top NFL draft QBs as of right now. Subject to change if one of them does not declare, of course.

#1 Caleb Williams (Perennial pro bowler with all the QB tools; arm, legs, reads, anticipation)
#2 JJ McCarthy (Sees the field really well, great anticipation, tends to hold the ball a little long though, but has the legs to do so)
#3 Drake Maye (Great arm, but slowish release. Tends to sit and wait on his first read, a little slow at locating his check downs. Does throw with decent anticipation, but not always the best placement.)
#4 Jayden Daniels (Lightening fast, great arm with a tight spiral. However, he is a single read passer that lacks anticipation. Will run if he's primary read is not open, might become a faster version of Baker Mayfield in the NFL)

I think Cameron Ward is very similar to JJ McCarthy as a passer. Great anticipation and can continue to move through his reads.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one has seen enough from McCarthy to determine as to whether or not he can be a next level QB in the NFL. I blame the system that Harbough has him in. And if you think that Daniels is a one read QB, then you've lost all credibility to any discussion involving QB reviews. A one read QB was Malik Willis. Jayden Daniels is a far superior talent than that.

https://youtu.be/T0AxivphHpk?si=z9SpI7-L5_Cl2xAd

https://youtu.be/aCDL421ooWw?si=pOFMT3ii3Q_IoYXl

https://www.youtube.com/live/th-zU0uioG ... hTyq0jD31g
Just watch video man. Watch the logo on the side of his helment, it will help you know if he's running through his options. Far more often than not his logo is fixed on his first option target. There are only a couple times he moves to his second option. He also often fails to throw open his WRs when he should be. He's lucky to only have 4 INTs this year, or better yet, having Malik Nabers to throw to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61NpouYvhNE&t=390s


McCarthy on the other hand is processing his reads. He even directs a receiver to change his route into open field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYePSHOl2QY&t=160s

Here's an exercise for you. Look up some college highlight film on Mahomes, Brady, and even Brock Purdy. You will see a common thread with these QBs which is that they have quick and power drop steps, stand with a firm base, and throw with anticipation with concise decision making. Then go back and compare these college highlights with Daniels, Maye, Williams and McCarthy.

If you go to last year's highlight film on Young you will see how late his throws are. He gets them there, but the timing was a little slow. But all the expert pundits thought he had elite anticipation, but that was not true at all.

Williams and McCarthy both have excellent anticipation and can see a broad picture of the field which helps them move throw their checks quickly. Maye and Daniels get fixated and it takes them a while to move to another option if they ever do.
Lucky doesn't win you the Heisman. Don't forget Brian Thomas Jr. I've watched hours of Daniels tape, and already seen both of the video's you've posted, along with every QB coming out in next year's draft. I play a lot of Dynasty Football and watch hours of podcasts. And I've not seen one National pundit rank McCarthy over Daniels or Drake Maye. I've seen Maye projected to go in some mocks as first overall.

McCarthy simply has not had enough chances to prove he can be a consistent thrower. I'll give him this, he's got the size, all the intangibles, and when he does throw has been everything that you want. He just doesn't have the reps or attempts that you typically want to see of an college QB prospect. Which again, I blame the system he's in. J.J. has the chance to go and beat Bama and prove all the doubters wrong and potentially skyrocket his ranking, especially if he crushes the combine. I just need to see MORE.

I've watched every single game Daniels played. I'm an LSU die hard and haven't missed an LSU game in over 13 years. He put this team on his shoulders when nothing was going right down the stretch. His rushing ability alone puts him in the conversation as a Top 5 QB, something no one currently has McCarthy ranked as. That could change however after the Bowl games, Senior Bowl, and Combine.

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Re: CBS Sports 2024 Mock Draft

Post by Cascade Kid » Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:49 pm

Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:43 pm
Cascade Kid wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:59 pm
Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:29 pm


Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one has seen enough from McCarthy to determine as to whether or not he can be a next level QB in the NFL. I blame the system that Harbough has him in. And if you think that Daniels is a one read QB, then you've lost all credibility to any discussion involving QB reviews. A one read QB was Malik Willis. Jayden Daniels is a far superior talent than that.

https://youtu.be/T0AxivphHpk?si=z9SpI7-L5_Cl2xAd

https://youtu.be/aCDL421ooWw?si=pOFMT3ii3Q_IoYXl

https://www.youtube.com/live/th-zU0uioG ... hTyq0jD31g
Just watch video man. Watch the logo on the side of his helment, it will help you know if he's running through his options. Far more often than not his logo is fixed on his first option target. There are only a couple times he moves to his second option. He also often fails to throw open his WRs when he should be. He's lucky to only have 4 INTs this year, or better yet, having Malik Nabers to throw to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61NpouYvhNE&t=390s


McCarthy on the other hand is processing his reads. He even directs a receiver to change his route into open field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYePSHOl2QY&t=160s

Here's an exercise for you. Look up some college highlight film on Mahomes, Brady, and even Brock Purdy. You will see a common thread with these QBs which is that they have quick and power drop steps, stand with a firm base, and throw with anticipation with concise decision making. Then go back and compare these college highlights with Daniels, Maye, Williams and McCarthy.

If you go to last year's highlight film on Young you will see how late his throws are. He gets them there, but the timing was a little slow. But all the expert pundits thought he had elite anticipation, but that was not true at all.

Williams and McCarthy both have excellent anticipation and can see a broad picture of the field which helps them move throw their checks quickly. Maye and Daniels get fixated and it takes them a while to move to another option if they ever do.
Lucky doesn't win you the Heisman. Don't forget Brian Thomas Jr. I've watched hours of Daniels tape, and already seen both of the video's you've posted, along with every QB coming out in next year's draft. I play a lot of Dynasty Football and watch hours of podcasts. And I've not seen one National pundit rank McCarthy over Daniels or Drake Maye. I've seen Maye projected to go in some mocks as first overall.

McCarthy simply has not had enough chances to prove he can be a consistent thrower. I'll give him this, he's got the size, all the intangibles, and when he does throw has been everything that you want. He just doesn't have the reps or attempts that you typically want to see of an college QB prospect. Which again, I blame the system he's in. J.J. has the chance to go and beat Bama and prove all the doubters wrong and potentially skyrocket his ranking, especially if he crushes the combine. I just need to see MORE.

I've watched every single game Daniels played. I'm an LSU die hard and haven't missed an LSU game in over 13 years. He put this team on his shoulders when nothing was going right down the stretch. His rushing ability alone puts him in the conversation as a Top 5 QB, something no one currently has McCarthy ranked as. That could change however after the Bowl games, Senior Bowl, and Combine.
He's only 20 years old. The kid is going to be great.

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Re: CBS Sports 2024 Mock Draft

Post by Sexymarinersfan » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:02 pm

Cascade Kid wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:49 pm
Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:43 pm
Cascade Kid wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:59 pm


Just watch video man. Watch the logo on the side of his helment, it will help you know if he's running through his options. Far more often than not his logo is fixed on his first option target. There are only a couple times he moves to his second option. He also often fails to throw open his WRs when he should be. He's lucky to only have 4 INTs this year, or better yet, having Malik Nabers to throw to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61NpouYvhNE&t=390s


McCarthy on the other hand is processing his reads. He even directs a receiver to change his route into open field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYePSHOl2QY&t=160s

Here's an exercise for you. Look up some college highlight film on Mahomes, Brady, and even Brock Purdy. You will see a common thread with these QBs which is that they have quick and power drop steps, stand with a firm base, and throw with anticipation with concise decision making. Then go back and compare these college highlights with Daniels, Maye, Williams and McCarthy.

If you go to last year's highlight film on Young you will see how late his throws are. He gets them there, but the timing was a little slow. But all the expert pundits thought he had elite anticipation, but that was not true at all.

Williams and McCarthy both have excellent anticipation and can see a broad picture of the field which helps them move throw their checks quickly. Maye and Daniels get fixated and it takes them a while to move to another option if they ever do.
Lucky doesn't win you the Heisman. Don't forget Brian Thomas Jr. I've watched hours of Daniels tape, and already seen both of the video's you've posted, along with every QB coming out in next year's draft. I play a lot of Dynasty Football and watch hours of podcasts. And I've not seen one National pundit rank McCarthy over Daniels or Drake Maye. I've seen Maye projected to go in some mocks as first overall.

McCarthy simply has not had enough chances to prove he can be a consistent thrower. I'll give him this, he's got the size, all the intangibles, and when he does throw has been everything that you want. He just doesn't have the reps or attempts that you typically want to see of an college QB prospect. Which again, I blame the system he's in. J.J. has the chance to go and beat Bama and prove all the doubters wrong and potentially skyrocket his ranking, especially if he crushes the combine. I just need to see MORE.

I've watched every single game Daniels played. I'm an LSU die hard and haven't missed an LSU game in over 13 years. He put this team on his shoulders when nothing was going right down the stretch. His rushing ability alone puts him in the conversation as a Top 5 QB, something no one currently has McCarthy ranked as. That could change however after the Bowl games, Senior Bowl, and Combine.
He's only 20 years old. The kid is going to be great.
And yes, all the videos I send, I've watched. I'm a subscriber and Patreon with a few of them. So lots and lots of discussions. I've got the 1.01, 1.03, 1.09, & 1.10 picks in Fantasy next year. I'll probably take Marvin Harrison or Caleb Williams at the 1.01.

I like to watch Draft experts amd compare video with what they say. I like McCarthy tape. It's just John Harbaugh doesn't have him throwing enough. And that's mostly by design. So no fault of McCarthy. I am looking forward to watching Michigan hopefully beat the crap out of Bama.

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Re: CBS Sports 2024 Mock Draft

Post by Cascade Kid » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:19 pm

Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:02 pm
Cascade Kid wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:49 pm
Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:43 pm


Lucky doesn't win you the Heisman. Don't forget Brian Thomas Jr. I've watched hours of Daniels tape, and already seen both of the video's you've posted, along with every QB coming out in next year's draft. I play a lot of Dynasty Football and watch hours of podcasts. And I've not seen one National pundit rank McCarthy over Daniels or Drake Maye. I've seen Maye projected to go in some mocks as first overall.

McCarthy simply has not had enough chances to prove he can be a consistent thrower. I'll give him this, he's got the size, all the intangibles, and when he does throw has been everything that you want. He just doesn't have the reps or attempts that you typically want to see of an college QB prospect. Which again, I blame the system he's in. J.J. has the chance to go and beat Bama and prove all the doubters wrong and potentially skyrocket his ranking, especially if he crushes the combine. I just need to see MORE.

I've watched every single game Daniels played. I'm an LSU die hard and haven't missed an LSU game in over 13 years. He put this team on his shoulders when nothing was going right down the stretch. His rushing ability alone puts him in the conversation as a Top 5 QB, something no one currently has McCarthy ranked as. That could change however after the Bowl games, Senior Bowl, and Combine.
He's only 20 years old. The kid is going to be great.
And yes, all the videos I send, I've watched. I'm a subscriber and Patreon with a few of them. So lots and lots of discussions. I've got the 1.01, 1.03, 1.09, & 1.10 picks in Fantasy next year. I'll probably take Marvin Harrison or Caleb Williams at the 1.01.

I like to watch Draft experts amd compare video with what they say. I like McCarthy tape. It's just John Harbaugh doesn't have him throwing enough. And that's mostly by design. So no fault of McCarthy. I am looking forward to watching Michigan hopefully beat the crap out of Bama.
Yeah, I think because McCarthy was 19 years old last year and showed that he needed to work on a few things Harbaugh designed his offense around the ground game. I do think McCarthy will go back for another year and I believe Harbaugh will lean on his arm much more.

You know Tom Brady is an interesting case when considering this discussion. He hardly ever threw the ball, so not many got to see him. He didn't have standout numbers or QBR. But if you watch his game film you can see the intangibles pop out. Watching TB sewing machine smooth-like footwork as he drops in the pocket and plants his cleats is magical to me. His game film screams 'NFL QB', but then he gets drafted late.

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Re: CBS Sports 2024 Mock Draft

Post by ddraig » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:00 am

They probably should go with a QB in the first round. Right now they have two backup QB's trying to be "The Man." Most of us knew Geno had an outlier year and likely couldn't keep up the numbers. Good for him and they paid him for the results.

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Re: CBS Sports 2024 Mock Draft

Post by HawkandMariner88 » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:29 pm

ddraig wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:00 am
They probably should go with a QB in the first round. Right now they have two backup QB's trying to be "The Man." Most of us knew Geno had an outlier year and likely couldn't keep up the numbers. Good for him and they paid him for the results.
Do you:

A) Trade up in the draft

OR

B) Trade for a veteran (i.e. Cousins or Goff)

I've heard mention of B but would not be at all opposed to A. Seems like that is the 1 huge missing piece (outside of pass rusher). Can't tell me Schneider isn't scouting every single one of these QB's coming out.

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