Patriots sign Cam

[ThePro]

Nobody was going to pay him extra to be a backup, and no other team needed him to come in and compete as a starter like the Pats, so they got a deal by waiting him out. If RW suddenly wasn't available this season, you wouldn't want to consider Cam to fill in because he pouted? I would think the way you love winning, that the last thing you would want was an organization being dictated by who hates on players.

They paid lesser QBs extra to be a backup.

[Donn Beach]

but why was that, I would think it was more how the cards fell, Cam not looking to be a backup, and when things fell into place he didn't have the leverage with the Pats he might have hoped for.

[Michael K.]

So, in other words, the market dictated what he was worth?

Cam said people didn't like him celebrating because he was black, he was only having fun. He made it about race, not me. He walked the remark back, but trust me...people hated him for the same reason people hate Baker. Then there was the time he laughed at the female reporter because it was weird to talk football with a woman. Then there was the pouty little baby act when he wasn't winning anymore. All he wanted us to believe was he acted like an ass on the field because he was having fun playing the game. Then don't act like a baby the next few years you are getting your ass kicked.

That was distracting off the field because it was talked about, a lot. He is no longer good enough to justify it. Or the distraction it would be to have him backing up your starter. Had to be the right fit. In other words, the market dictated his worth.

None of those actions effected his contract. That's just your personal dislike of him. His contract is well below market value for a starting QB with his resume.

So, zero chance another organization didn’t want to take that on?

[Michael K.]

but why was that, I would think it was more how the cards fell, Cam not looking to be a backup, and when things fell into place he didn't have the leverage with the Pats he might have hoped for.

Two teams even spoke to him...the other was Cleveland, who has a guy they probably want to keep as their starter. Sorry...why would all those other teams not even enter into a discussion!? They didn’t want him...so, the market dictated. Ridiculous to even have this discussion. Once again, they want to scream about market value when they want to get paid, the same is true when they are no longer worth as much.

I can’t think of many teams besides New England where it even makes sense. The Titans maybe? Like I said, maybe guys like Sherman should take less money so there is more available? Did Sherman bust into the Niners front office and demand to know why they didn’t over pay for a backup QB? Or, is it as usual, he is just a damn mouth piece?

[Donn Beach]

but why was that, I would think it was more how the cards fell, Cam not looking to be a backup, and when things fell into place he didn't have the leverage with the Pats he might have hoped for.

Two teams even spoke to him...the other was Cleveland, who has a guy they probably want to keep as their starter. Sorry...why would all those other teams not even enter into a discussion!? They didn’t want him...so, the market dictated. Ridiculous to even have this discussion. Once again, they want to scream about market value when they want to get paid, the same is true when they are no longer worth as much.

I can’t think of many teams besides New England where it even makes sense. The Titans maybe? Like I said, maybe guys like Sherman should take less money so there is more available? Did Sherman bust into the Niners front office and demand to know why they didn’t over pay for a backup QB? Or, is it as usual, he is just a damn mouth piece?

I never said the market didn't dictate, I said i doubt it turned on him being pouty. That is my point, i see it similar to the Clowney situation. In the end he didn't have the leverage he thought he might. I expect Clowney to end up with the same kind of contract actually.

[ThePro]

I've never seen a QB ..a former MVP sign for league minimum. The market has never dictated this.

[Donn Beach]

when you talk about the market dictating, its a ridiculously small market. Its pretty hard to predict, a lot of times it comes down to a single GM. You have 2,800 companies traded on the NYSE, that is a market, the NFL is 32 teams, that not so much

[ThePro]

when you talk about the market dictating, its a ridiculously small market. Its pretty hard to predict, a lot of times it comes down to a single GM. You have 2,800 companies traded on the NYSE, that is a market, the NFL is 32 teams, that not so much

Market dictating doesn't apply here at all. There are shitty QBs who signed for more. All 32 teams don't need QBs. So if anything a few teams looking for QBs would drive the price up for the best one.

[Michael K.]

when you talk about the market dictating, its a ridiculously small market. Its pretty hard to predict, a lot of times it comes down to a single GM. You have 2,800 companies traded on the NYSE, that is a market, the NFL is 32 teams, that not so much

Market dictating doesn't apply here at all. There are shitty QBs who signed for more. All 32 teams don't need QBs. So if anything a few teams looking for QBs would drive the price up for the best one.

That IS the market. There was no market. Not sure how this is any giant scheme by anyone. Two teams talked to him...should the Patriots have upped the bid? They didn't need to. Like I said, Sherman should be pounding on the door of his own GM telling him he will take a pay cut so they can over pay for a backup QB. No one wanted to pay for him...the NFL teams are the market...so he had no market. Once again, the market dictated his price. If someone else had jumped in and made him an offer, maybe the Patriots would have upped the price. But you are acting like they should have paid him more, even though they didn't have to.

If I am selling a product that no one wants, that is the market. No one wanted this QB. That is the market. Making it out to be some grand scheme by the NFL is silly. If another team wanted him, they would have made an offer and the price demanded by the market would have changed. When you find a shirt on sale at the store do you demand to play full price because this shirt is worth more than the price? Nope, so why should the Patriots?

[auroraave]

I've never seen a QB ..a former MVP sign for league minimum. The market has never dictated this.

So, what is your theory as to why he wasn't offered what you seem to think he's worth? Explain your position and please be specific.