Roster Churn

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Re: Roster Churn

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:03 pm

D-train wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:07 pm
Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:53 pm
The 11th ranked team won't be able to challenge for a CFP berth that includes 12 teams? :?
That is their ranking in the B10
Ohio St
Penn St
Michigan
Oregon
USC

should probably all be better than us. But which five schools from

Rutgers
Indiana
Michigan St
Nebraska
Northwestern
UCLA
Purdue
Illinois
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Maryland

does Wilner think are better?

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Re: Roster Churn

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:07 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:47 pm
Quinshon
Tawee
Ja'Quinden
Jo'Quavious
Treshawn

:lol: :lol: :lol:
That's right up there with Equanimious and Da'Brickashaw.

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Re: Roster Churn

Post by Donn Beach » Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:45 pm

Sure, be in their best interest if they were given slave names, unless they have a future in sports

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Re: Roster Churn

Post by Donn Beach » Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:46 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:03 pm
D-train wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:07 pm
Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:53 pm
The 11th ranked team won't be able to challenge for a CFP berth that includes 12 teams? :?
That is their ranking in the B10
Ohio St
Penn St
Michigan
Oregon
USC

should probably all be better than us. But which five schools from

Rutgers
Indiana
Michigan St
Nebraska
Northwestern
UCLA
Purdue
Illinois
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Maryland

does Wilner think are better?
Love it, ranked 11th in the big Ten

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Re: Roster Churn

Post by D-train » Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:10 pm

By Jon Wilner
Bay Area News Group
The Big Ten coaching carousel finally came to a halt this past week when longtime member UCLA named DeShaun Foster as the replacement for Chip Kelly.

Five teams will enter the conference’s new era with new leadership, including Washington.

The transition from Kalen DeBoer to Jedd Fisch uprooted UW’s roster and played a significant role in our gloomy forecast for 2024.

The Huskies simply aren’t equipped to successfully navigate the Big Ten, especially where it matters most: on the lines of scrimmage.

If they cannot protect new quarterback Will Rogers or stop opposing running games, they stand no chance of challenging Ohio State and Oregon, the clear front-runners.

Then again, we aren’t sure Michigan, which beat UW in the national championship game, is capable of winning the conference, either. Both teams lost their coaches and their cores, whereas the Buckeyes and Ducks kept many essential pieces intact.

One note on the projections below: We have not picked ties.

The Hotline never picks ties. But there will be ties in an 18-team, division-less conference. Oh, yes, there will be ties. Ties involving multiple teams. Ties involving multiple teams that did not play each other. But that’s all for another day.

For now, we have examined the preliminary rosters, the schedules and the staffs and sketched an order of finish. These projections will be revised in the late spring, after the second transfer window.

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1. Ohio State
2023 record: 11-2/8-1 Big Ten
Coach: Ryan Day (sixth season)
Top returnees: TB TreVeyon Henderson, DE JT Tuimoloau
Key newcomers: QB Will Howard (Kansas State); S Caleb Downs (Alabama)
Comment: The Buckeyes won the offseason, convincing a handful of their top players to return and a slew of transfers to join the drive for a national championship. But the biggest acquisition might have been Kelly. The former UCLA coach will serve as offensive coordinator and implement a scheme for OSU’s running game that should maximize the not-quite-elite talent along the line of scrimmage.

2. Oregon
2023 record: 12-2/8-1 Pac-12
Coach: Dan Lanning (third season)
Top returnees: WR Tez Johnson, LB Jeffrey Bassa
Key newcomers: QB Dillon Gabriel (Oklahoma), CB Jabbar Muhammad (Washington)
Comment: Expectations are soaring for the Ducks after they fortified the roster with several crucial pickups in the transfer portal. That list starts with Gabriel, who should mitigate the impact of Bo Nix’s departure. The Ducks are well equipped to challenge OSU for the title and will host the head-to-head showdown Oct. 12. Anything short of a playoff appearance would be a major disappointment.

3. Michigan
2023 record: 15-0/9-0 Big Ten
Coach: Sherrone Moore (first season)
Top returnees: TE Colston Loveland, DT Mason Graham
Key newcomers: G Josh Priebe (Northwestern), LB Jaishawn Barham (Maryland)
Comment: Combine the departure of Jim Harbaugh and key staff members — that list starts with strength coach Ben Herbert — with the loss of quarterback J.J. McCarthy, and the Wolverines are destined for regression in 2024. To what degree? We believe it will be significant, to the point that a playoff berth should not be viewed as inevitable. Especially with a schedule that features Ohio State, Oregon, Washington, USC and Texas.


4. Wisconsin
2023 record: 7-6/5-4 Big Ten
Coach: Luke Fickell (second season)
Top returnees: TB Chez Mellusi, CB Ricardo Hallman
Key newcomers: QB Tyler Van Dyke (Miami), LB Jaheim Thomas (Arkansas)
Comment: Our forecast envisions a marked upturn in Year 2 of the Fickell era based on an improved defense, Mellusi’s return, Van Dyke’s likely impact — he will receive better coaching in Madison than Coral Gables — and Fickell replicating his early tenure trajectory at Cincinnati. The Bearcats won four games in his first season and 11 in his second. We don’t see 11 for the Badgers, but they should win nine.

5. Penn State
2023 record: 10-3/7-2 Big Ten
Coach: James Franklin (11th season)
Top returnees: QB Drew Allar, LB Abdul Carter
Key newcomers: WR Julian Fleming (Ohio State), CB A.J. Harris (Georgia)
Comment: Big Ten expansion could have a notable impact on Penn State’s position within the conference hierarchy: In any given year, there will be significantly more competition for the No. 3 position (behind Michigan and Ohio State). The Nittany Lions could feel the impact of the West Coast arrivals immediately despite Allar’s return and Franklin’s retooled staff, which includes former Indiana coach Tom Allen as the new defensive coordinator.

6. Nebraska
2023 record: 5-7/3-6 Big Ten
Coach: Matt Rhule (second season)
Top returnees: C Ben Scott, CB Tommi Hill
Key newcomers: QB Dylan Raiola (freshman), CB Blye Hill (St. Francis)
Comment: As with Fickell at Wisconsin, we expect Rhule’s second year in Lincoln to produce a significant upswing in performance. Enough for the Huskers to contend? Unlikely. They have too little talent at too many positions. But Rhule now has a feel for his personnel and will tweak the schemes accordingly. Much depends on Raiola, the heralded freshman, playing like an upperclassman.

7. Iowa
2023 record: 10-4/7-2 Big Ten
Coach: Kirk Ferentz (26th season)
Top returnees: QB Cade McNamara, LB Jay Higgins
Key newcomers: OT Kadyn Proctor (Alabama), LB Burke Gautcher (freshman)
Comment: We could devote this space to projecting more offensive offense and more granite defense from Iowa in 2024. But what if the Hawkeyes are slightly better than expected on offense, thanks to the coordinator change and McNamara’s return from injury, but a tick worse than expected on defense (despite a load of returnees)? After all, stranger things have happened. Iowa is hosting Washington in a conference game.

8. USC
2023 record: 8-5/5-4 Pac-12
Coach: Lincoln Riley (third season)
Top returnees: WR Zachariah Branch, DL Bear Alexander
Key newcomers: QB Jayden Maiava (UNLV), S Kamari Ramsey (UCLA)
Comment: USC’s entry into the Big Ten coincides with a huge third season for Riley, whose Year 1 momentum fizzled as losses mounted during the second half of 2023. Maiava will compete with Holiday Bowl star Miller Moss for the starting job. Neither is Caleb Williams, which means everyone else (on both sides of scrimmage) must raise the level of play. Otherwise, the Trojans, who face a comically difficult schedule — the nonconference portion includes Notre Dame and LSU — could finish below .500.

9. Rutgers
2023 record: 7-6/3-6 Big Ten
Coach: Greg Schiano (16th season; fifth in second stint)
Top returnees: TB Kyle Monangai, LB Mohamed Toure
Key newcomers: QB Athan Kaliakmanis (Minnesota), DT Malcolm Ray (Florida State)
Comment: The Scarlet Knights finally gained traction in Schiano’s second stint with the program, winning seven games overall and beating Miami in the Pinstripe Bowl. They should have a solid defense in 2024, and the Knights miss Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Oregon in conference play. So the next step depends largely on the offense, especially the quarterback play.

10. Michigan State
2023 record: 4-8/2-7 Big Ten
Coach: Jonathan Smith (first season)
Top returnees: RB Nathan Carter, DT Simeon Barrow
Key newcomers: QB Aidan Chiles (Oregon State), LB Jordan Turner (Wisconsin)
Comment: What reason is there to think the Spartans will attain a degree of relevance in the conference race? Zero. And that’s just how Smith prefers his expectations. Chiles has all-conference potential. If he reaches that level in 2024, MSU could be one of the nation’s biggest surprises. We suspect he’s at least a year away, however. The surrounding talent isn’t good enough, yet.

11. Washington
2023 record: 14-1/9-0 Pac-12
Coach: Jedd Fisch (first season)
Top returnees: WR Giles Jackson, S Kamren Fabiculanan
Key newcomers: QB Will Rogers (Mississippi State), CB Ephesians Prysock (Arizona)
Comment: UW’s roster has been gutted like few in recent memory. Add the coaching change and a November schedule so tough it should be outlawed, and the Huskies are more likely to finish 6-6 than 10-2. Granted, that forecast could brighten if the spring transfer window delivers impact players on the lines of scrimmage. But at this point, we don’t see UW challenging for the conference title or a CFP berth.

12. Maryland
2023 record: 8-5/4-5 Big Ten
Coach: Mike Locksley (sixth season)
Top returnees: WR Tai Felton, DL Quashon Fuller
Key newcomers: QB MJ Morris (N.C. State), CB Jalen Huskey (Bowling Green)
Comment: Locksley has the program rolling — that term is relative, of course — with back-to-back seasons of eight victories. If Morris provides a steady hand, the ingredients are in place for another postseason berth. But like so many other midlevel programs in the Big Ten, the Terps are in danger of getting lost in the conference’s massive middle with the heavyweight programs from the West Coast coming aboard.

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13. Minnesota
2023 record: 6-7/3-6 Big Ten
Coach: PJ Fleck (eighth season)
Top returnees: TB Darius Taylor, CB Justin Walley
Key newcomers: QB Max Brosmer (New Hampshire), CB Ethan Robinson (Bucknell)
Comment: Yet another team depending on a transfer quarterback to elevate the offense and improve its victory total. Brosmer is well regarded but won’t have much time to settle in: The Gophers open league play against Iowa’s granite defense, then face Michigan. If Brosmer’s confidence is intact after that dastardly double, Minnesota might have a chance to claim its sixth consecutive bowl berth (excluding 2020).

14. UCLA
2023 record: 8-5/4-5 Pac-12
Coach: DeShaun Foster (first season)
Top returnees: QB Ethan Garbers, NT Jay Toia
Key newcomers: WR Rico Flores (Notre Dame), DE Collins Acheampong (Miami)
Comment: Chip Kelly’s aversion to NIL and recruiting wasn’t the only reason he bolted for the play-calling gig in Columbus. He could see the competitive reality, as well: The Bruins simply don’t have the personnel to compete for a top-tier finish in the Big Ten, at least not in 2024. And now they must tackle that daunting challenge with a rookie coach and a difficult schedule. (Like USC, they play LSU.) It could be a long fall in Westwood.

15. Northwestern
2023 record: 8-5/5-4 Big Ten
Coach: David Braun (second season)
Top returnees: RB Cam Porter, LB Xander Mueller
Key newcomers: OL Idrys Cotton (freshman), Edge Patrick Schaller (freshman)
Comment: Braun did masterful work steering the Wildcats out of the hazing scandal and through an eight-win season that trumped all expectations. That said, the feel-good nature of the 2023 success will give way to the roster reality of 2024: Northwestern needs help, and plenty of it. But the university’s admissions bar makes quick fixes through the transfer portal difficult. Perhaps the spring will prove fruitful.

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16. Illinois
2023 record: 5-7/3-6 Big Ten
Coach: Bret Bielema (fourth season)
Top returnees: QB Luke Altmyer, LB Dylan Rosiek
Key newcomers: TE Cole Rusk (Murray State), DL Dennis Briggs (Florida State)
Comment: Bielema’s tenure in Champaign began as expected, with significant improvement from Year 1 to Year 2. But the Illini regressed in 2023, making this a crucial third season. His success, and the program’s broader momentum, largely hinge on Altmyer, who threw nearly one interception (10 total) for every touchdown (13) last season and must improve his efficiency. The schedule has numerous sinkholes.

17. Purdue
2023 record: 4-8/3-6 Big Ten
Coach: Ryan Walters (second season)
Top returnees: QB Hudson Card, S Dillon Thieneman
Key newcomers: OL Joshua Sales (Indiana), CB Nyland Green (Georgia)
Comment: Walters’ work to upgrade the roster — his transfer class is enormous — could result in a better team that lacks the results to show for it. If so, the Boilermakers can thank their schedule. They play Notre Dame (home) and Oregon State (road) in nonconference action and face a daunting league schedule with Oregon, Ohio State and Penn State. We’ll wait to judge the Walters era until the end of his third year.

18. Indiana
2023 record: 3-9/1-8 Big Ten
Coach: Curt Cignetti (first season)
Top returnees: OT Carter Smith, CB Kobee Minor
Key newcomers: QB Kurtis Rourke (Ohio), DL Mikail Kamara (James Madison)
Comment: Even in an era of expedited roster turnover, Cignetti’s reclamation project likely will take years. The Hoosiers lack the talent, size and depth necessary to compete for a midlevel finish in the massive conference. (Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?) Admittedly, we aren’t convinced Cignetti was the right coach for this job. Or if any coach is the right coach for this job.
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Re: Roster Churn

Post by Michael K. » Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:55 pm

Nebraska, Michigan State and Rutgers? I really doubt. The others? Not sold on Wisconsin or USC, to be honest.

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Re: Roster Churn

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:22 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:45 pm
Sure, be in their best interest if they were given slave names, unless they have a future in sports
Not sure what you mean by slave names. But if you're going to invent a name, why something so gaudy?

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Re: Roster Churn

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:21 pm

Asks the guy that uses Sibelius Hindemith ..To be distinctive and differentiate it from European names? Interesting, you have Quavious Keyate Marshall, rapper and Jo'Quavious Marks football player both from the Atlanta area.

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Re: Roster Churn

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:08 pm

I understand and have no problem with that. I would like to know how they come up with some of these names - seems pretty random. Guess it's preferable to some of the names celebrities give their children though.

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Re: Roster Churn

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:33 pm

Okay, there's also Marquavius McDonald, a dj. So you have, Quavious, Marquavius, Jo'Quavious all being made up in the same general area. Is that random, seems like a southern angle. I'm curious now

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