This is America today my Friends

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Re: This is America today my Friends

Post by DanielVogelbach » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:15 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:49 pm
Totally agree with that! But of course none of the Dems EVER bring up anything like cost controls for tuition or professor salaries. Have to keep their liberal indoctrination centers happy. Have evil Wall St. pay for it! Like Wall street has anything to do with it.
I agree. They always focus on using taxpayer money to pay for the tuition, but they don't focus on the fact that the costs are exorbitant. They're obviously on the receiving end of the money. I'm sure there are plenty of Republicans that make money off of education, since there are indeed Universities with large Republican student bodies. But, the fact remains that college educated Americans will tend to vote Democrat, as will immigrants and minorities, and that's kind of the deadlock that we're in. Republicans attack Democrats for "identity politics", which is a stupid argument. Both sides are playing the same game using minorities and immigrants as cornerstones of their political narratives with the only intention being to garner 51% of the electorate. But, the main card that both sides play is simply pointing fingers at the other side. The end result is that we're stuck in a democrato-republican fascist oligarchy. We do possess the power to destroy it, but we need to figure out how to stop buying into their rhetoric and figure out how to flip the whole thing upside down.

There is ONE Democratic candidate who has fresh ideas ready for 2020 and not stuck in the past....

As for reducing the cost of college, Yang suggested that the federal government incentivize schools to lower their administrator-to-student ratio and reduce tuition costs as a result.

“I would tie access to federal government loans to colleges getting their costs per student down and their admin-to-student ratio down and closer to levels that it was in previous decades,” he said.

At the same time, Yang vowed to ensure that the government doesn’t profit from student loan debt.

“Right now it’s actually something of a moneymaker for the government, which doesn’t make sense given that this is meant to be a service to us, the citizens of this country,” said Yang. “Profiting off the banks of citizens’ indebtedness is not a business the government should be in.”

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Re: This is America today my Friends

Post by D-train » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:53 pm

Thanks for all that. I have a much greater appreciation for Yang. Too bad he has no shot to beat the socialists or the senile dolt.
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Re: This is America today my Friends

Post by Moe Gibbs » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:26 pm

They should put an end to forcing all students to take totally irrelevant classes that have absolutely nothing to do with the marketable skill / credential that they seek to learn..
Doing this would knock at least 25% right off the top of what it costs to learn what you signed up to learn how to do.
Let's start with Diversity Training and Gender Studies. PC indoctrination has no business in public schools.

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Re: This is America today my Friends

Post by D-train » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:58 pm

Moe Gibbs wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:26 pm
They should put an end to forcing all students to take totally irrelevant classes that have absolutely nothing to do with the marketable skill / credential that they seek to learn..
Doing this would knock at least 25% right off the top of what it costs to learn what you signed up to learn how to do.
Let's start with Diversity Training and Gender Studies. PC indoctrination has no business in public schools.
Unbelievable that I learned how to hook a rug, bake a cake, make a playboy bunny in foundry and sow a pillow in high school but not one second was spent on personal finance that would teach kids to ya know, not get into $100k+ of debt on student loans.
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Re: This is America today my Friends

Post by DanielVogelbach » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:17 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:53 pm
Thanks for all that. I have a much greater appreciation for Yang. Too bad he has no shot to beat the socialists or the senile dolt.
He might have a shot. They're going hard in Iowa right now. We'll find out pretty soon. I feel like he has some good ideas. His main idea is UBI, but he's got so many other new ideas. He says that need to stop judging everything by GDP. Instead of scoring our success as a nation solely by GDP, he suggests we take a comprehensive look that includes the following:

Quality of life and health-adjusted life expectancy
Happiness/Well-Being and Mental Health
Environmental quality
Affordability
Childhood success rates
Underemployment
Income Inequality
Consumer and Student Debt
Work and civic engagement levels
Volunteerism
Infant mortality
Quality of infrastructure
Access to education
Marriage and divorce rates
Substance abuse and related deaths
National optimism
Personal dynamism/economic mobility

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Re: This is America today my Friends

Post by DanielVogelbach » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:44 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:58 pm
Moe Gibbs wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:26 pm
They should put an end to forcing all students to take totally irrelevant classes that have absolutely nothing to do with the marketable skill / credential that they seek to learn..
Doing this would knock at least 25% right off the top of what it costs to learn what you signed up to learn how to do.
Let's start with Diversity Training and Gender Studies. PC indoctrination has no business in public schools.
Unbelievable that I learned how to hook a rug, bake a cake, make a playboy bunny in foundry and sow a pillow in high school but not one second was spent on personal finance that would teach kids to ya know, not get into $100k+ of debt on student loans.
All they really focus on is preparing you for college. They should focus more on preparing you for life. They should definitely do a better job of explaining the life path where you just go to a vocational school and start making money. Probably for a lot of kids, they might pick that path if college wasn't slammed down their throats since kindergarten. All the football rah-rah doesn't help.

As more students sign up for college, it creates a situation where more and more entry level jobs require a degree. If somehow we could just convince more students to skip college, then there would be more entry-level jobs available to folks with just a HS degree. Instead, we have everyone running off to college and running up debt, then they take an entry-level office job that takes 5 days to learn and requires zero skills that were learned while at the university. This is going to be a difficult trend to stop, because even with the hefty price-tag, the piece of paper the school gives you is an entry into all of the wonderful jobs in corporate America. I feel like it's engrained into our culture that as a parent you're "supposed" to get your kid into college.

Moe is wrong about cancelling certain types of classes to reduce the cost of school. The only way to reduce the cost would be to lessen the required credit hours on the degree plans. If you removed "Gender Studies", then you would have to replace it with something else, so no reduction in cost. As for the curriculum in the schools, I think the generic classes are what differentiate a university education from a vocational education. I think I'm okay with the basic 4-year format with a mix of classes related and unrelated to your major. I think the problem with the price tag is just politics and bureaucracy. I don't think you shouldn't have to mortgage so much of your future just to get marketable job skills. It's obviously a complex problem, and I think Yang has some more prudent solutions than the "Free College for All" plan, which seems like one of those campaign promises you'll never ever be able to push through anyway.

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Re: This is America today my Friends

Post by Moe Gibbs » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:21 am

I'm not wrong at all.
Instead of requiring X amount of credit hours to get your degree, the hours reqd should get reduced by X amount once the needless courses have been eliminated.
I assumed that this would be understood by all readers as part of my remedy.

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Re: This is America today my Friends

Post by DanielVogelbach » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:02 am

Moe Gibbs wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:21 am
I'm not wrong at all.
Instead of requiring X amount of credit hours to get your degree, the hours reqd should get reduced by X amount once the needless courses have been eliminated.
I assumed that this would be understood by all readers as part of my remedy.
You didn't mention reducing the credit hours. Obviously reducing credit hours is reducing the cost, but that doesn't address cost per credit hour. You're insinuating that the reason college costs too much is because they require too many credit hours. I don't think that's the issue. I think the issue is the price-tag for each credit hour. Your solution is like McDonald's making the chicken nuggets a little smaller. Reducing costs by reducing the amount of product given.

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Re: This is America today my Friends

Post by Moe Gibbs » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:25 am

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:02 am
Moe Gibbs wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:21 am
I'm not wrong at all.
Instead of requiring X amount of credit hours to get your degree, the hours reqd should get reduced by X amount once the needless courses have been eliminated.
I assumed that this would be understood by all readers as part of my remedy.
You didn't mention reducing the credit hours. Obviously reducing credit hours is reducing the cost, but that doesn't address cost per credit hour. You're insinuating that the reason college costs too much is because they require too many credit hours. I don't think that's the issue. I think the issue is the price-tag for each credit hour. Your solution is like McDonald's making the chicken nuggets a little smaller. Reducing costs by reducing the amount of product given.
No I'm saying that at least 1/4 of the needless cost of college is spent on useless, irrelevant courses the students are forced to take.
This shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

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Re: This is America today my Friends

Post by Grandma Lynn » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:17 am

Moe Gibbs wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:26 pm
They should put an end to forcing all students to take totally irrelevant classes that have absolutely nothing to do with the marketable skill / credential that they seek to learn..
Doing this would knock at least 25% right off the top of what it costs to learn what you signed up to learn how to do.
Let's start with Diversity Training and Gender Studies. PC indoctrination has no business in public schools.
Even long ago our high school
had 3 courses. One was just
a general one, one was a business
course, and the third was a
course to ready you for college.
Wasn't such a bad idea. I did
the business course and it paid
off.

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