the debased debate

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Re: the debased debate

Post by D-train » Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:04 pm

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:32 pm
All of the major networks have a left-leaning bias, except for Fox which leans to the right.

It all works out in the end for the system. People come in so many flavors. Some like wine, some like weed, some are gay, some are straight, some are doctors, lawyers, fisherman, musicians, whatever... But, the system and all these layers of unnecessary government and media messaging successfully have us in a 50/50 situation where half the people blame the Democrats and the other half the people blame the Republicans. This is the perfect scenario where nobody is blaming the system as a whole.

We're currently sitting at about (30% Democrat, 30% Republican, 40% non-voter) What's interesting is that in general the likelihood of a non-voter joining the pool will favor the Democrats. I think Trump brought in some first-time Republican voters, but generally those go to the left and it may be due to the media dominance referenced in this thread. Perhaps your Dad teaches you how to vote Republican, while Don Lemon and Anderson Cooper teach you how to vote Democratic. I dunno. Don't care. If the left starts getting too much traction, the media will calibrate back to assist the right. The whole thing is just an excuse to wage war. I watch the debates, though... I sort of enjoy the performance aspect of them.
Good assessment and I think you are probably right if Biden is the nominee. The non voting Trump haters will come out and vote and turn the election back to the Dems. However, if one of the far left liberal loons wins it, the non voting conservatives will flood the polls in order to prevent socialism and the other insane programs they have dreamed up.
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Re: the debased debate

Post by DanielVogelbach » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:38 pm

D-train wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:04 pm
DanielVogelbach wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:32 pm
All of the major networks have a left-leaning bias, except for Fox which leans to the right.

It all works out in the end for the system. People come in so many flavors. Some like wine, some like weed, some are gay, some are straight, some are doctors, lawyers, fisherman, musicians, whatever... But, the system and all these layers of unnecessary government and media messaging successfully have us in a 50/50 situation where half the people blame the Democrats and the other half the people blame the Republicans. This is the perfect scenario where nobody is blaming the system as a whole.

We're currently sitting at about (30% Democrat, 30% Republican, 40% non-voter) What's interesting is that in general the likelihood of a non-voter joining the pool will favor the Democrats. I think Trump brought in some first-time Republican voters, but generally those go to the left and it may be due to the media dominance referenced in this thread. Perhaps your Dad teaches you how to vote Republican, while Don Lemon and Anderson Cooper teach you how to vote Democratic. I dunno. Don't care. If the left starts getting too much traction, the media will calibrate back to assist the right. The whole thing is just an excuse to wage war. I watch the debates, though... I sort of enjoy the performance aspect of them.
Good assessment and I think you are probably right if Biden is the nominee. The non voting Trump haters will come out and vote and turn the election back to the Dems. However, if one of the far left liberal loons wins it, the non voting conservatives will flood the polls in order to prevent socialism and the other insane programs they have dreamed up.
I don't think Trump hate is any stronger today than it was in 2016, and it didn't stop Trump then. He's also the incumbent, which historically works out pretty well for Presidents seeking re-election.

Sanders and Warren are optimal in terms of driving up turnout and acquiring non-voters. The concern with going too far left is losing the "independent voters". That's where a more moderate candidate would have the advantage. Also keep in mind that for President it really doesn't matter how many new voters the Dems get in California. It's going to be about Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, and Florida. I'm really not sure if the Dems would have a better chance defeating Trump with a moderate candidate or a far left candidate. There's definitely a divide within the party with Biden grabbing 30% of the polls, but also Warren 17% and Sanders 16%.

My money would be on Biden grabbing the nomination and losing a close election to Trump with a similar electoral map as 2016, but there's still a long way to go and I could also see things going some other ways. For example, I don't think President Elizabeth Warren is completely outside the realm of possibility. It's difficult to get inside the minds of voters sometimes. I think the next debate should move the needle for a lot of Democratic voters, since it will be the first time all of the leading Democrat candidates are on the same debate stage. We may see Warren and Bernie tag-team on Joe.

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Re: the debased debate

Post by Grandma Lynn » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:36 am

Thinking: If Biden won, you know
who would be running the country,
Hillary and maybe Obama..and...

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