Climate change

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Re: Climate change

Post by Walla Walla Dawg II » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:03 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:46 pm
What was the purpose of the barricade (i.e. what were they protesting or trying to prevent)?
I believe it was climate change.
And it only affected those going to the Burning Man festival in NW Nevada.
That's how smart these environmentalist's are (were).

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Re: Climate change

Post by douche » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:06 pm

Walla Walla Dawg II wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:16 pm
Here are ten more corkers:

1. In 1974 TIME magazine led the charge on the coming new Ice Age: “The tell-tale signs are everywhere – from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland, to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest.”

2. In 1989 Jim Hansen, the NASA scientist who testified before Congress the previous year to the “Greenhouse effect”, predicted that New York’s Westside Highway would be underwater by 2019.

3. Of the thirty-two models of the earth’s changing temperature that have been published by climate scientists since the late 70s, not a single one has come close to being correct after 1995 (see image below).

4. In 2000 Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, predicted that within a few years snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event. Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.”

5. In 2002 The Guardian published an article in its Global Development feature - which is supported by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation - which stated that famine within 10 years “can only be avoided if the rich give up meat, fish and dairy.”

6. In 2004 The Guardian obtained what it described as a “secret report … suppressed by US defence chiefs” that stated that climate change was a bigger threat than terrorism. It predicted that there would be a global catastrophe, with rioting, nuclear war and Britain living in a “Siberian climate by 2020”.

7. In 2008 James Hansen, the scientist who is held up by climate change politicians as a “climate prophet”, predicted that the Arctic would be ice-free by 2018, stating: “We see a tipping point occurring right before our eyes.”

8. Not one to be outdone, former presidential candidate Al Gore predicted, in the same year, that the North Polar Ice Cap would be completely ice-free by 2013. Professor Peter Wadhams, who authored a paper for Nature magazine on the costs of Arctic warming, made the same prediction but plumbed for 2015. The US Navy’s Department of Oceanography, meanwhile, said it would occur in 2016.

9. In 2009 Prince Charles announced that the world had just 8 years to save the planet. The British prime minister, Gordon Brown, begged to differ, stating: “We have fewer than 50 days to save our planet from catastrophe.” (Perhaps he was confusing the planet with the catastrophe of his premiership?)

10. With typical French cartesianism, the French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius stated at a meeting with John Kerry in Washington in 2014 that there were, in fact, precisely “500 days to avoid climate chaos”.
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Reminiscent of ddraig's earlier post. From the article that he linked to:

Regarding data or forecasts, your first question has to be "what's the error range?" If you don't know the error range, the data are almost useless. It's not coincidental that the Climate Mafia don't highlight this problem

So what about modern technology solving these problems? These error problems are still true today. It's not that the long-term temperature forecasts are wrong; it's that they can't be right. All global warming modelers know this, or they are incredibly stupid, or they just lie about it for money or power.

When the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change made even a pretense of being science-based, they used to admit it. From the 2001 IPCC Third Assessment Report: "The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible."

The weather is a coupled, non-linear chaotic system. Chaos theory says very small changes in inputs can result in totally different outcomes. This concept is counterintuitive for most people. We intrinsically think that if you're a little off at the beginning, you should be a little off at the end. Try that on a mountain trail next to a cliff.

The Climate Mafia know that this is true, but they still want money and power. They argue that even though you can't make a real temperature forecast, they can create a completely bogus forecasting approach, where they take a bunch of different climate models that don't agree (so much for settled science) and combine their outputs. They then say voilà: we have a correct prediction, and they use pseudo-statistics to get around the error problem. The way I visualize it is, if you take a bunch (an ensemble sounds more scientific) of wrong answers and then combine them, that is the right answer. Absurd.

Since your input data are critical to forecasting the Chaotic Future, fully understanding past temperatures is also critical. The Climate Mafia create the entirely bogus concept of an "average Earth temperature" to create a bogus base data set for their bogus models. The Warming Scammers like to use a garbage temperature history that starts about 1850. The Scammers say that their increased temperatures since 1850, just coincidentally at the end of a three-hundred-year cooling cycle, represent the rise of the industrial pollution age. In 1850, and even in 1950, only a small percentage of world's population could even be considered close to industrialized. Look at India, Africa, and China then: almost medieval energy use patterns until really recently. Humans have been around in their current form for many tens of thousands of years. To say the weather since the 1850s is representative of anything from a statistical perspective is a joke.

So what kind of temperature data do we have since 1850?

With oceans and ice caps covering over 80+% of the world's surface, we have virtually no reliable long-term data on any of that, other than the last few decades. Even then, you are talking about a relatively small number of measuring devises in all those places. (Do you check the weather a few hundred miles away to know if you need an umbrella?) How about the temperature trends in deserts, on mountains, in the middle of Africa, South America, Siberia — at sea level, a hundred feet elevation, a thousand feet elevation? The data are so bad in all of the Southern Hemisphere — half the globe — that there are only a few datasets even close to reliable since the 1850s. There are almost no real, reliable, and complete long-term data globally, and particularly none reliable enough to create model of a chaotic system entirely dependent on very accurate input data.

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Re: Climate change

Post by D-train » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:47 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:46 pm
What was the purpose of the barricade (i.e. what were they protesting or trying to prevent)?
They were protesting that non idealistic affluent capitalist pig dog yuppies were going to burning man instead of the earth loving hippies it was intended for. Not joking.
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Re: Climate change

Post by ddraig » Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:53 pm

I heard this AM that the past two hurricanes to hit the U.S. were caused by "Climate Change." Personal Experience: we went to Florida four years ago and there were no (zero) hurricanes to hit Florida that year. But that doesn't stop the Climate Nazis to push their agenda. In fact, according to the announcer on the radio, only 117 hurricanes have been recorded hitting the U.S. So 2 of those 117 were caused by "Climate Change" and some years, the U.S. sees no hurricanes at all.

Now, again, I'm not stating that the world has not been getting warmer. It has for the past 20,000 years. But "man made?" I don't remember Ford or GM selling SUV's 20,000 years ago. And there were certainly no ceiling fans in the caves of the Neanderthals!

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Re: Climate change

Post by maoling » Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:20 am

ddraig wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:53 pm
I heard this AM that the past two hurricanes to hit the U.S. were caused by "Climate Change." Personal Experience: we went to Florida four years ago and there were no (zero) hurricanes to hit Florida that year. But that doesn't stop the Climate Nazis to push their agenda. In fact, according to the announcer on the radio, only 117 hurricanes have been recorded hitting the U.S. So 2 of those 117 were caused by "Climate Change" and some years, the U.S. sees no hurricanes at all.

Now, again, I'm not stating that the world has not been getting warmer. It has for the past 20,000 years. But "man made?" I don't remember Ford or GM selling SUV's 20,000 years ago. And there were certainly no ceiling fans in the caves of the Neanderthals!
The little CBS shill Norah O'Donnell opened last night's broadcast with a hurricane lead of "Extremely warm waters in the Gulf of Mexico, largely from climate change..."

These people are a disgrace. They present theory and speculation as fact every stinking day.

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Re: Climate change

Post by D-train » Thu Aug 31, 2023 1:39 pm

Vivek was on TMZ saying that there will be more human suffering caused by efforts to prevent climate change than actual climate change. The looks on the hosts faces was hilarious. Just blew their minds. The left is completely convinced it will become a literally hell on Earth with people burning alive due to the higher temps. Just bizarre.
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Re: Climate change

Post by ddraig » Fri Sep 01, 2023 3:47 pm

More people die every year from cold temperatures than they do from warmer temps. I'm not belittling weather related deaths, but there is an added bonus to warmer temps. During the Medieval Warming Period, grain crops were grown farther north than ever before and there were grape crops in Greenland. So the result was that food production increased. This period, lasting nearly 600 years, from 750 A.D. to 1350 A.D., was likely brought on by extended El Nino's in the Pacific. I don't think it had anything to do with Ford or GM SUV's. Maybe cows, though.

https://theconversation.com/climate-exp ... iod-155294

And now we have more info on how the the Climate Nazis are running things and why they shouldn't.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... _lies.html

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Re: Climate change

Post by gil » Fri Sep 01, 2023 5:12 pm

ddraig wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2023 3:47 pm
More people die every year from cold temperatures than they do from warmer temps. I'm not belittling weather related deaths, but there is an added bonus to warmer temps. During the Medieval Warming Period, grain crops were grown farther north than ever before and there were grape crops in Greenland. So the result was that food production increased. This period, lasting nearly 600 years, from 750 A.D. to 1350 A.D., was likely brought on by extended El Nino's in the Pacific. I don't think it had anything to do with Ford or GM SUV's. Maybe cows, though.

https://theconversation.com/climate-exp ... iod-155294

And now we have more info on how the the Climate Nazis are running things and why they shouldn't.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... _lies.html
That's really interesting. Looking forward to scoring some of that Greenland Cabernet.

But seriously, the US economy is withering? I call B.S.

The costs I see of warming temperatures are due to the investments we have in place. If you can grow grains further north, that is fantastic. But what about if that is accompanied by harsher conditions further south? Lower yields, more water usage, etc. We have more invested in infrastructure, including ports, etc., than there was in the medieval warming period.

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Re: Climate change

Post by Donn Beach » Sun Sep 03, 2023 9:02 am

Climate change strikes again, things aren't going well at burning Man
A death was under investigation at the Burning Man festival amid the rain and mud, local authorities said Saturday, and attendees were urged to shelter in place as the event was all but shut down.

The Pershing County Sheriff's Office in northern Nevada announced the death, which it said happened "during this rain event." The sheriff's office offered few details, including the person's identity or the apparent cause.

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Re: Climate change

Post by Mel Bradford » Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:44 pm

In 6 months Minnesota will be 80 to100 degrees cooler than it is today. It's all within the sphere of "climate".

"Climate change" is a mantra for the blathering media monkeys, mental midgets and blind activists who wed themselves to the power structure of social control. One need not look further than the fruit of the big lie manifest in reams of legislation (regulation) designed to control through forced impoverishment.


BUT....for 2000 years we have known that at some point 1/3 of the earth will burn. It will be a cocktail mix of blood and hail raining down.
Hows that for "climate change activism" ?

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