Virus thread

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Post by Moe Gibbs » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:10 pm

I caught something in December - January that seemed "novel" to me because it did affect my breathing a little. It lingered for a few weeks. I took a few doses of Coricidin [High BP Formula] and it really helped.

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Post by Michael K. » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:17 pm

People were dropping in my office like flies. A guy in a desk not even six feet away was about to die!

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Re: Virus thread

Post by Grandma Lynn » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:40 am

They want a vaccine, there's
money in it!
ddraig, did you ever get tested?
Just curious.

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Post by Michael K. » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:22 am

No, like everything else...the money is in the treatment, not the cure. Which is why I shoot insulin into my gut all day long.

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Post by D-train » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:14 pm

I forecast a drug that costs over $400k a year. A competitor came out with a drug that is a one time infusion they initially thought was a cure. Novartis priced it at $2.1M per infusion. Highest priced drug in history.

If a company discovered a cure for cancer it would instantly be worth more than Amazon and Msft combined. Of course all the other Oncology focused companies would tank but believe me, there is definitely a race for the cure.
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Post by HawkBowler 2.0 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:31 pm

Hydroxychloriquin + Zpac = $20
Remdesivir = $3,000

The $20 treatment is more effective, but guess which one Dr. Fauci supports?

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Post by ddraig » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:56 pm

Grandma Lynn wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:40 am
They want a vaccine, there's
money in it!
ddraig, did you ever get tested?
Just curious.

Curiously, when I wanted to go in to get tested, I had few choices. North Seattle had a testing site almost on every other block (sarcasm, but there were many possibilities). Here in South King County we had three. And you had to be a member of Kaiser Permanente. Its better now, we have more testing sites down here in the ghettos. No, I gave up trying.

Fauci needs to shut his trap. He now is considering asking us to stay home this Fall, Winter, and next Spring because of a new swine flu virus coming out of, you guessed it! CHINA!

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Re: Virus thread

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:42 am

I''m reposting this from the Virus Schmirus thread on the Mariners forum:


On the effectiveness of cloth masks....
The widespread use of cloth masks by healthcare workers may actually put them at increased risk of respiratory illness and viral infections and their global use should be discouraged, according to a UNSW study....
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The authors speculate that the cloth masks' moisture retention, their reuse and poor filtration may explain the increased risk of infection.
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Professor MacIntyre said the study's results pointed to the effectiveness of medical masks, in addition to the harm caused by cloth masks.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 121724.htm
The full study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/

The vast majority of people I see wearing masks are wearing cloth masks, not surgical masks. Why, with this information available for 5 years don't the governors and media pundits pushing for everyone to wear masks not stipulate that masks that actually might help be worn? I have been using only surgical masks and even those don't form a very good seal around the borders.

More on the use of masks from some experts in the field...
Dr Chris Smith, consultant virologist at Cambridge University, told RNZ people should not buy them and instead save their money.

"Go and spend it on something useful that you enjoy doing, like having a beer. Those face masks are absolute rubbish and they do nothing."
However, he did say they had a placebo effect.

"They make you feel better, that you've done something, and they also have the effect of warning you to stay away from someone who's wearing one."

He said whether a virus could get through a face mask depended on the type of mask.

"The ones we're talking about, that you go and buy off a street vendor and you wear on the underground or tram or on the streets - those are absolutely useless. If you are in hospital and you are fit-tested for a proper prophylactic mask, those do work. And the reason they work is they form a proper seal around your face and around you nose and mouth and you also wear eye protection, and they also have very stringent filtering as well.

"The ones that you buy on the street that are cheap and nasty ... there are big gaps around the sides of your face and every time you cough and sneeze it just comes flying out the side.

"Also they dampen, so as you breathe they get damp and that dampness just makes a nice conduit through for the virus particles."

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Dr Jake Dunning, head of emerging infections and zoonoses at Public Health England, said: "Although there is a perception that the wearing of facemasks may be beneficial, there is in fact very little evidence of widespread benefit from their use outside of these clinical setting."

He said masks had to be worn correctly, changed frequently and got rid of safely if they were to work properly.

"Research also shows that compliance with these recommended behaviours reduces over time when wearing facemasks for prolonged periods," he added.

People would be better to focus on good personal and hand hygiene if they are concerned, Dr Dunning said.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/408 ... virologist

Another doctor/lawyer weighs in....
The Covid virus was supposed to be contained in the kind of lab where people wear astronaut suits and go through triple sealed doors. It is a con of massive proportion to assert that now, having escaped those environs, a bandana will magically do the trick.

After all, size matters.

The pore size of cloth face coverings range from ~ 20-100 microns. The Covid virus is 200-1000x smaller than that, at 0.1 microns. Putting up a chain link fence will not keep out a mosquito. Even the most esteemed medical journals admit their purpose is to calm anxiety. “Expanded masking protocols’ greatest contribution may be to reduce the transmission of anxiety …”

Of course, by knowledge or common sense observation, most Americans already know that masking everyone is superstition. But unlike privately carrying a lucky charm, mandating facial coverings requires the consent of the governed.
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Not wearing a mask is not mere “personal choice” like deciding between a head covering or a t-shirt. It is a flashpoint for being a free human being who has consented to be governed but has not consented to be ruled. We do not consent to a masked America, because that is a fundamental change in American society, culture, norms, and rights.
https://themichiganstar.com/2020/06/29/ ... t-consent/

More from the same doctor...
Dr. Simone Gold, an emergency medicine specialist based in Los Angeles, told “America’s Newsroom” on Thursday that “there are thousands and thousands of stories of patient harm” due to stay-at-home orders issued in response to the coronavirus pandemic.

“We are frustrated,” Gold, the head organizer of the letter, told host Ed Henry.

Gold is the head organizer of an open letter signed by more than 600 doctors who pushed President Trump to end what they called a "national shutdown". The letter described widespread state orders keeping businesses closed and children home from school as a "mass casualty incident" with "exponentially growing health consequences."

The letter said that as a result of the shutdowns, doctors have seen increases in the number of patients missing routine checkups that could detect issues like heart problems or cancer, increased substance and alcohol abuse, and greater financial instability that could lead to "[p]overty and financial uncertainty," which "is closely linked to poor health."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-simone ... s-shutdown

More on the letter from 600 physicians...
More than 600 of the nation’s physicians sent a letter to President Trump this week calling the coronavirus shutdowns a “mass casualty incident” with “exponentially growing negative health consequences” to millions of non COVID patients.

“The downstream health effects...are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error," according to the letter initiated by Simone Gold, M.D., an emergency medicine specialist in Los Angeles.

“Suicide hotline phone calls have increased 600%,” the letter said. Other silent casualties: “150,000 Americans per month who would have had new cancer detected through routine screening.”

From missed cancer diagnoses to untreated heart attacks and strokes to increased risks of suicides, “We are alarmed at what appears to be a lack of consideration for the future health of our patients.”

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NPR reported about a Washington state resident who had what she described as the “worst headache of her life.”

She waited almost a week before going to the hospital where doctors discovered she had a brain bleed that had gone untreated. She had multiple strokes and died. “This is something that most of the time we're able to prevent,” said her neurosurgeon, Dr. Abhineet Chowdhary, director of the Overlake Neuroscience Institute in Bellevue, Wash.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gracemarie ... a99d8150fa

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Re: Virus thread

Post by Grandma Lynn » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:42 am

I told you all before, I just don't
trust Fasci. He's good at scaring
people! Not saying this isn't a
serious virus. None of us know
if it is, if the polls are true, etc.
But hate to take chances. Mask
is a small price to use....but
I don't see how it really works.

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Re: Virus thread

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:31 am

HawkBowler 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:31 pm
Hydroxychloriquin + Zpac = $20
Remdesivir = $3,000

The $20 treatment is more effective, but guess which one Dr. Fauci supports?
U.S. just purchased 90% of the world supply of Remdesivir. Gilead labs profit margin just increased by billions of dollars. Very strange.

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