RIP Jim Bouton

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Re: RIP Jim Bouton

Post by Petert » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:00 pm

My response to Hy (above) had the links to the 1998 OT game game preparations. I’d forgotten Jim’s website had the post-game articles from the NY papers:

http://www.jimbouton.com/oldtimers.html

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Re: RIP Jim Bouton

Post by D-train » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:35 pm

By Larry Stone
Seattle Times columnist
The thing about Jim Bouton that always amazed me — and warmed my heart — was the pure joy he derived from his masterpiece, “Ball Four.”

“I have lived with the book for so long now, and had so many conversations with people over the years, that the characters, my teammates, have become like members of my family,” Bouton told me in 2009 during one of several interviews I was privileged to have with him.

“I honestly have developed very loving feelings about every single one of them.”

Because of that book, which was transformational for me as a teenager and for millions of others who were given a shocking/hilarious/irreverent/authentic glimpse inside Major League Baseball baseball, the Seattle Pilots will live on forever. And so will Bouton, who died Wednesday at the age of 80.

The book ostensibly chronicled Bouton’s attempt to resurrect his career with the expansion 1969 Pilots at age 30, a sore-armed former Yankees fireballer who decided a knuckleball was his ticket back to the big-time.

But what made Bouton’s book stand out in 1970 when it was published and still resonate today, nearly 50 years later, is the eclectic cast of teammates that he brought to life. It was ribald, it was profane, and it was light years ahead of its time in portraying ballplayers as humans, flaws and all, rather than adhering to the idolatry that had prevailed to that point in sporting literature.

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Bouton was correspondingly reviled around baseball for the curtain that he lifted on how ballplayers really acted off the field — pill-popping, skirt-chasing and boozing, for instance.

Particularly galling to many was his warts-and-all portrayal of the sainted Mickey Mantle, his former Yankee teammate. A typical outraged response was that of Pete Rose, who after the book’s publication screamed at Bouton from the Reds’ dugout, “(Bleep) you, Shakespeare!”

Bouton, relating the story at the Society of American Baseball Research (SABR) convention in Seattle in 2006, said gleefully: “Which I thought was great. … I mean, a literary reference from Pete Rose.”

Of course, the realism is what made “Ball Four” such a revolutionary book — the only sports book included in the New York Public Library’s listing of the 100 most important books of the 20th century.

But it’s the hilarity that makes it endure. And Bouton never, ever lost his appreciation for the cast of characters that remain as memorable to baseball fans as the Corleones to Godfather aficionados.

I’m talking about Bouton’s chief protagonist, pitcher Fred Talbot, a crank who once leapt into a taxi that Bouton had been waiting for and yelled back as it pulled away, “Take the next cab, you communist.”

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Bouton, of course, famously got the better of Talbot. He fooled him into thinking that he was going to receive a cash award from a fan who had received a hefty payout in a radio contest for the grand slam Talbot hit.

I’m talking about outfielder Steve Hovley, a high-minded intellectual with a keen sense of the ironic. “My hero — probably the most intellectually courageous person I’ve ever seen,’’ Bouton would say. “For him to be his independent self in the wake of overwhelming peer pressure was astonishing.”

I’m talking about vividly idiosyncratic teammates like Jim Pagliaroni, Merrit Ranew, Gary Bell and countless others. And no one was more memorable than Joe Schultz, the lovable buffoon of a manager who used to implore his players to “pound the Budweiser.”

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“These guys were characters out of a novel, and I’m so lucky I was on the Pilots, because I could have never written the exact same kind of book, or even close to it, with another type of team,’’ Bouton told me once.

As I said, Bouton loved all the characters in Ball Four. He’d often end up sputtering with laughter over the phone as he related and relived an anecdote from the book. But he really adored Schultz, who understood that the ragtag Pilots were destined for mediocrity and didn’t sweat it.

“The great thing about Joe,” Bouton said, “is he was the opposite of Vince Lombardi. Joe felt sorry for us. He told us not to feel bad; we just didn’t have the talent.”

The most memorable interview I had with Bouton occurred in 1998 when he detailed his long-sought reconciliation with the Yankees.

They had essentially disowned him after “Ball Four” was published in 1970, largely because of the Mantle revelations. But when Mantle’s son, Billy, died in 1991, Bouton sent him a heartfelt letter of condolence and wrote at the end, “I hope you’re feeling OK about `Ball Four.’ I didn’t intend to hurt anyone with that book, and I consider those some of the best memories of my life.”

Two weeks later, Bouton said, he received a message from Mantle on his answering machine. He recited it verbatim: “Hey, Jim, this is Mick. I’m OK about `Ball Four’ these days. Thanks for the letter. I want you to know I’m not the reason you’re not invited back for Old Timer’s Day. I never said that to anyone. Take it easy, bud.”

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Fast forward to 1997, when Bouton’s 31-year-old daughter, Laurie, was killed in a car accident. One of Bouton’s sons, Michael, wrote a poignant first-person article in The New York Times imploring Yankee owner George Steinbrenner to bring him back. That led to Bouton’s return to Yankee Stadium in 1998 for the Old Timer’s Game.

“The beauty of that letter, the power of it, the sympathy it invoked, caused them to invite me back,” Bouton said in the interview.

Now Bouton is gone, leaving behind a 62-63 career record in 10 seasons with the Yankees, Pilots, Astros and Braves (with two of those wins coming in 57 games for the lone season of the Seattle Pilots in 1969).

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But Bouton’s legacy is far deeper, richer and more enduring than that perfunctory recitation of statistics.

“Without `Ball Four,’ I’d just be a statistic in `The Baseball Encyclopedia’ that people look up,” he said. “The book changed my life.

“I never get tired of ‘Ball Four,’ ” he said another time. “Mainly because I know the book so intimately, just thinking about it makes me smile.”

I’m looking at my own dog-eared, original copy of “Ball Four” right now, and though immensely saddened by Bouton’s death, I’m smiling, too.
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Re: RIP Jim Bouton

Post by Petert » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:16 pm

A very cool piece by Stone, thanks for sharing that, DT. What he says about the affection Jim had for those guys was very true. I was at the Seattle Pilots night at Safeco maybe 8 years ago, and was sitting a few rows behind Bouton, Whitaker, Goosen, Tommy Davis, Hegan, Billy Williams, and maybe a couple of others about 15 rows behind home plate. They were carrying on, laughing like hell, truly enjoying each others company, and being extremely courteous to fans who came by to extend their regards and memories. It was something to see.

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Re: RIP Jim Bouton

Post by harmony » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:09 am

I read Ball Four three times and carried away something different each time.

My grandmother gave me my first copy in 1970 when I was 14 years old and I was fascinated by the tales of sex and partying. I read the book again in the 1990s and was interested Bouton's description of baseball's early labor unrest. My final reading in the 2000s found me relating to Bouton's self-doubt amid the aging process.

I had planned to attend the public reunion of the 1969 Seattle Pilots at a Bellevue hotel in August 2009 but I crashed my bicycle, breaking my wrist, that morning in Portland. By the time I received medical attention I had missed the afternoon reunion activities. Nevertheless that evening I witnessed the recognition of the Pilots at the Mariner game against the Royals (and Zack Greinke's one-hitter against the M's the following afternoon).

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Re: RIP Jim Bouton

Post by D-train » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:19 am

harmony wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:09 am
I read Ball Four three times and carried away something different each time.

My grandmother gave me my first copy in 1970 when I was 14 years old and I was fascinated by the tales of sex and partying. I read the book again in the 1990s and was interested Bouton's description of baseball's early labor unrest. My final reading in the 2000s found me relating to Bouton's self-doubt amid the aging process.

I had planned to attend the public reunion of the 1969 Seattle Pilots at a Bellevue hotel in August 2009 but I crashed my bicycle, breaking my wrist, that morning in Portland. By the time I received medical attention I had missed the afternoon reunion activities. Nevertheless that evening I witnessed the recognition of the Pilots at the Mariner game against the Royals (and Zack Greinke's one-hitter against the M's the following afternoon).
Funny, I only made it through about half of it about 7-8 years ago in my 40s and I also focused on the labor issues that were so different than in today's game. It also struck me how juvenile the players were with the beaver shooting an all like they never had to grow up. lol Of course I still haven't grown up either obviously.
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Re: RIP Jim Bouton

Post by Mel Bradford » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:56 pm

Bouton was part of that great minor league team....The Portland Mavericks. He's in the documentary called 'The Battered Bastards of Baseball"
Worth the view. It gives you the laugh and the sad.
https://jokermag.com/battered-bastards- ... ix-review/

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Re: RIP Jim Bouton

Post by D-train » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:49 am

Mel Bradford wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:56 pm
Bouton was part of that great minor league team....The Portland Mavericks. He's in the documentary called 'The Battered Bastards of Baseball"
Worth the view. It gives you the laugh and the sad.
https://jokermag.com/battered-bastards- ... ix-review/
Welcome to the forum, Mel!!!
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Re: RIP Jim Bouton

Post by Mel Bradford » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:31 am

Thank you D.....nice to be here

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