Divish on JDs contract situation
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Develop players?
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Ah, I see now! Planned failure. Makes perfect sense... if you are a bean counter and not involved at all in the creation of a successful baseball organization!Donn Beach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:35 amdon't think they believe it, they just want to see it before opening the bank
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I like Jedi. De Poet.
Yes, I like Jerry Dipoto and the knick names I have made for him.
I hope they extend him and he stays. He's had some hits and misses and I believe most people know he got handed Z's weak-ass core and augmented with some super expensive vets and asked can you make us a winner?
Yes, I want a high-paying job. Thanks.
He did what he could in budget and if Felix had been a Randy Johnson type, we might have seen a deep run at a WS.
In his 1st year 86 wins but Felix put up a 150 innings of 106 ERA+ and the M's had a 106 OPS+ and a 102 ERA+
Miley put up a 80 ERA+ 2 years later a 160
The 2017 club went for 89 wins but the offense was a 102 OPS+ but had
Seager shit the bed with a 86 OPS+
Zunino 85
Cano suspension
And the pitching BP was Good SP was ok just missed having an Ace 99 ERA+
Felix
73 OPS+
Yes, I like Jerry Dipoto and the knick names I have made for him.
I hope they extend him and he stays. He's had some hits and misses and I believe most people know he got handed Z's weak-ass core and augmented with some super expensive vets and asked can you make us a winner?
Yes, I want a high-paying job. Thanks.
He did what he could in budget and if Felix had been a Randy Johnson type, we might have seen a deep run at a WS.
In his 1st year 86 wins but Felix put up a 150 innings of 106 ERA+ and the M's had a 106 OPS+ and a 102 ERA+
Miley put up a 80 ERA+ 2 years later a 160
The 2017 club went for 89 wins but the offense was a 102 OPS+ but had
Seager shit the bed with a 86 OPS+
Zunino 85
Cano suspension
And the pitching BP was Good SP was ok just missed having an Ace 99 ERA+
Felix
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Anyhow:
I think Jedi can add to the core
KIK and Gilbert are currently at about a 120 ERA+
FLexen and Dunn at about a 110 ERA+
Marco will probably we OK the rest of the year. 5.67 innings 3 runs.
Get an Ace on top of that. I have read where Dipoto like multi year remaining guys and that is hard to acquire for an acceptable price.
German Marquez is signed through 2023 he is 26 and has a 24 option. He has been good 118 ERA+
2021 7.8mm
2022 11.3mm
2023 15.3mm
2024 1)6mm (OPTION CLUB)
German M. is not an Ace his best year by E$RA+ 137 was last year and that was 60 games. He has a 127 this year and 118 career suggests proven #2 but at 26 maybe he takes a leap getting out of Coors. I think this is a decent probability and why he is listed here.
I would offer a Grienke / Verlander level
Verlander was a 2.5 year of control and was a legit Ace no question. He was not motivated on a shitty Detroit club and had a 117 ERA+ at time of trade coming off of 131 and 140 ERA+ two previous. The cost was pathetic which is why I wanted the M's to get him then .
Franklin Perez (minors), Daz Cameron and Jake Rogers. The Detroit Tigers sent Juan Ramirez (minors) (October 13, 2017) to the Houston Astros to complete the trade.
#6 Daz Cameron was the Astros #6 prospect and was a 24 year old not putting up big numbers 35 mlb games this year and last -0.4 WAR (yes Mike Cameron's son)
#9 Perez Astros prospect He was once a top 100 prospect
#23 Jake Rogers a 3rd round pick 0.4 WAR career but 1 WAR and a 106 OPS+ as a catcher
Perez
That was the Verlander package 3 good but not great prospects. The Tigers paid Houston 16 million to offset salary and included a prospect
The Astro Package for Grienke was very similar 4 of the Astros non top 5 prospects and a butt load of D-Backs $ helping to pay for their Ace going to help HOuston.
Something like: Justus former top 100 1 year from a 119 ERA+ year, M's #9 #64 pick Connor Phillups, then 1 or 2 of mlb.com after # 10. If they don't covet Justus sub in Williamson # 8
I really can't stress enough that the M's should be full-on protect mode of JK, JRod, Kirby, Hancock, Marte, Cal. The M's now have a top-ranked farm with quality guys like one of my favorites is SS Patrick Frick in 2 years .305 .436 .838 20 stolen base/162 pace and only 4 HR but 26 doubles. This awesome player is not even in the M's top 30. Like Cal last year I would consider a player like this traded only for top-of-the-line types.
I think Jedi can add to the core
KIK and Gilbert are currently at about a 120 ERA+
FLexen and Dunn at about a 110 ERA+
Marco will probably we OK the rest of the year. 5.67 innings 3 runs.
Get an Ace on top of that. I have read where Dipoto like multi year remaining guys and that is hard to acquire for an acceptable price.
German Marquez is signed through 2023 he is 26 and has a 24 option. He has been good 118 ERA+
2021 7.8mm
2022 11.3mm
2023 15.3mm
2024 1)6mm (OPTION CLUB)
German M. is not an Ace his best year by E$RA+ 137 was last year and that was 60 games. He has a 127 this year and 118 career suggests proven #2 but at 26 maybe he takes a leap getting out of Coors. I think this is a decent probability and why he is listed here.
I would offer a Grienke / Verlander level
Verlander was a 2.5 year of control and was a legit Ace no question. He was not motivated on a shitty Detroit club and had a 117 ERA+ at time of trade coming off of 131 and 140 ERA+ two previous. The cost was pathetic which is why I wanted the M's to get him then .
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
#6 Daz Cameron was the Astros #6 prospect and was a 24 year old not putting up big numbers 35 mlb games this year and last -0.4 WAR (yes Mike Cameron's son)
#9 Perez Astros prospect He was once a top 100 prospect
#23 Jake Rogers a 3rd round pick 0.4 WAR career but 1 WAR and a 106 OPS+ as a catcher
Perez
That was the Verlander package 3 good but not great prospects. The Tigers paid Houston 16 million to offset salary and included a prospect
The Astro Package for Grienke was very similar 4 of the Astros non top 5 prospects and a butt load of D-Backs $ helping to pay for their Ace going to help HOuston.
Something like: Justus former top 100 1 year from a 119 ERA+ year, M's #9 #64 pick Connor Phillups, then 1 or 2 of mlb.com after # 10. If they don't covet Justus sub in Williamson # 8
I really can't stress enough that the M's should be full-on protect mode of JK, JRod, Kirby, Hancock, Marte, Cal. The M's now have a top-ranked farm with quality guys like one of my favorites is SS Patrick Frick in 2 years .305 .436 .838 20 stolen base/162 pace and only 4 HR but 26 doubles. This awesome player is not even in the M's top 30. Like Cal last year I would consider a player like this traded only for top-of-the-line types.
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Edit to my previous post:
It would seem that Kik, Gilbert, and Flexen are at around a 120 ERA+. That makes 3 #2's at the least and now we come over the top with an ace.
It would seem that Kik, Gilbert, and Flexen are at around a 120 ERA+. That makes 3 #2's at the least and now we come over the top with an ace.
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Good stuff big pharma!
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Only thing is Dipoto said today 5 man rotation so someone is odd man outPharmabro wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:14 amAnyhow:
I think Jedi can add to the core
KIK and Gilbert are currently at about a 120 ERA+
FLexen and Dunn at about a 110 ERA+
Marco will probably we OK the rest of the year. 5.67 innings 3 runs.
Get an Ace on top of that. I have read where Dipoto like multi year remaining guys and that is hard to acquire for an acceptable price.
German Marquez is signed through 2023 he is 26 and has a 24 option. He has been good 118 ERA+
2021 7.8mm
2022 11.3mm
2023 15.3mm
2024 1)6mm (OPTION CLUB)
German M. is not an Ace his best year by E$RA+ 137 was last year and that was 60 games. He has a 127 this year and 118 career suggests proven #2 but at 26 maybe he takes a leap getting out of Coors. I think this is a decent probability and why he is listed here.
I would offer a Grienke / Verlander level
Verlander was a 2.5 year of control and was a legit Ace no question. He was not motivated on a shitty Detroit club and had a 117 ERA+ at time of trade coming off of 131 and 140 ERA+ two previous. The cost was pathetic which is why I wanted the M's to get him then .
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Franklin Perez (minors), Daz Cameron and Jake Rogers. The Detroit Tigers sent Juan Ramirez (minors) (October 13, 2017) to the Houston Astros to complete the trade.
#6 Daz Cameron was the Astros #6 prospect and was a 24 year old not putting up big numbers 35 mlb games this year and last -0.4 WAR (yes Mike Cameron's son)
#9 Perez Astros prospect He was once a top 100 prospect
#23 Jake Rogers a 3rd round pick 0.4 WAR career but 1 WAR and a 106 OPS+ as a catcher
Perez
That was the Verlander package 3 good but not great prospects. The Tigers paid Houston 16 million to offset salary and included a prospect
The Astro Package for Grienke was very similar 4 of the Astros non top 5 prospects and a butt load of D-Backs $ helping to pay for their Ace going to help HOuston.
Something like: Justus former top 100 1 year from a 119 ERA+ year, M's #9 #64 pick Connor Phillups, then 1 or 2 of mlb.com after # 10. If they don't covet Justus sub in Williamson # 8
I really can't stress enough that the M's should be full-on protect mode of JK, JRod, Kirby, Hancock, Marte, Cal. The M's now have a top-ranked farm with quality guys like one of my favorites is SS Patrick Frick in 2 years .305 .436 .838 20 stolen base/162 pace and only 4 HR but 26 doubles. This awesome player is not even in the M's top 30. Like Cal last year I would consider a player like this traded only for top-of-the-line types.
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I heard them mention the 5 man on the broadcast today, that's great news.
Glad to see that foolishness come to an end tomorrow.
"Let's use a whole game to use the relievers for extended outings when we already worry about overuse!" Flippin geniuses.
Glad to see that foolishness come to an end tomorrow.
"Let's use a whole game to use the relievers for extended outings when we already worry about overuse!" Flippin geniuses.
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Marco and Justus should be out. If Marco is not a starter he is worthless. If Justus can go max effort I could see him being an asset in the pen.
I could also see Marco being included in a package as well.
And I would like to trade for Nelson Cruz as well but again it would be 1 or 2 non top 6 prospects. And really there are a lot of top 100 types that are not currently in the top 100.
I could also see Marco being included in a package as well.
And I would like to trade for Nelson Cruz as well but again it would be 1 or 2 non top 6 prospects. And really there are a lot of top 100 types that are not currently in the top 100.