Carlos Correa to Richen Pool of FAs

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Re: Carlos Correa to Richen Pool of FAs

Post by Cascade Kid » Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:39 pm

D-train wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:30 pm
I'll predict it won't be Yankees.
Being a Sacramento CA product I see him coming out west, therefore not being a Yankee too. SF seems to be in good monetary position to grab him. But the Yanks will be The Yanks and make a strong play for him. The question maybe to ask is, 'does Judge wants to stay in NYC or on the east coast for that matter?' He seems very family minded and may want to be closer to his family out west. Then add that 'family factor' to SF's payroll flexibility in 2023, SF seems to be a likely landing spot for him in 2023.

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Re: Carlos Correa to Richen Pool of FAs

Post by Big_Maple » Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:13 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:31 pm
Right now, after 2 runs scored in what, 27 innings of playoff baseball? Now would be the time to bring JP in and say look kid, your bat ain't getting it done. We have a chance to add a SS that can hit, so you can move to second base or the bench, but we need to get better.
Maybe I misunderstand baseball, but it seems like this could be a pleasant way of telling him what’s going to happen.

Baseball is a sport and a business. JP is signed through 2026 and he’s getting paid a lot of money - that’s the business side of things. From the sports end of things, JP is defensively solid, but offensively, not so much.

We can’t do anything about his contract - we are stick with him. But surely we can tell him he’s switching positions and he’d have to comply - happy or not. If we could get the same player JP is as a SS at 2B…and then backfill the SS with a stud from free agency - why wouldn’t we? What right does JP have to object? Is there something in his contract that guarantees him SS, or that allows him the right to reject positional changes?

If he is getting paid and we can’t “fire” him or denote him, why can’t we move him if it makes the organization and team better? And if it makes the team better for him to be at 2B, is he being an asshole for refusing to move?

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Re: Carlos Correa to Richen Pool of FAs

Post by D-train » Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:35 pm

Big_Maple wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:26 pm
Coeurd’Alene J wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:32 pm
D-train wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:30 pm
I'll predict it won't be Yankees.
Make a team prediction where he lands I go with pinstripes for a alchohol drink at a spring training game

That’s about a $14 bet
Yankees. Been saying this for months now.

Since I won’t be at ST, I guess it’s a gentleman’s wager. ;)
Do you think Jay was referring to the Phillies when he said pinstripes? lol
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Re: Carlos Correa to Richen Pool of FAs

Post by D-train » Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:36 pm

Coeurd’Alene J wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:32 pm
D-train wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:30 pm
I'll predict it won't be Yankees.
Make a team prediction where he lands I go with pinstripes for a alchohol drink at a spring training game

That’s about a $14 bet
Dodgers. :)
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Re: Carlos Correa to Richen Pool of FAs

Post by D-train » Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:40 pm

Big_Maple wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:13 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:31 pm
Right now, after 2 runs scored in what, 27 innings of playoff baseball? Now would be the time to bring JP in and say look kid, your bat ain't getting it done. We have a chance to add a SS that can hit, so you can move to second base or the bench, but we need to get better.
Maybe I misunderstand baseball, but it seems like this could be a pleasant way of telling him what’s going to happen.

Baseball is a sport and a business. JP is signed through 2026 and he’s getting paid a lot of money - that’s the business side of things. From the sports end of things, JP is defensively solid, but offensively, not so much.

We can’t do anything about his contract - we are stick with him. But surely we can tell him he’s switching positions and he’d have to comply - happy or not. If we could get the same player JP is as a SS at 2B…and then backfill the SS with a stud from free agency - why wouldn’t we? What right does JP have to object? Is there something in his contract that guarantees him SS, or that allows him the right to reject positional changes?

If he is getting paid and we can’t “fire” him or denote him, why can’t we move him if it makes the organization and team better? And if it makes the team better for him to be at 2B, is he being an asshole for refusing to move?
He can't refuse the move just like you or I can't refuse if our company wants to move us to another dept. You don't want him too pissed so the solution is to blow smoke up his ass about their analytics showing that the elimination of the shift means the 2B has now eclipsed SS as the most important defensive position on the diamond so they desperately need his D there, then sign CC or Xander for SS. Done.
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Re: Carlos Correa to Richen Pool of FAs

Post by Big_Maple » Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:49 pm

D-train wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:40 pm
Big_Maple wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:13 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:31 pm
Right now, after 2 runs scored in what, 27 innings of playoff baseball? Now would be the time to bring JP in and say look kid, your bat ain't getting it done. We have a chance to add a SS that can hit, so you can move to second base or the bench, but we need to get better.
Maybe I misunderstand baseball, but it seems like this could be a pleasant way of telling him what’s going to happen.

Baseball is a sport and a business. JP is signed through 2026 and he’s getting paid a lot of money - that’s the business side of things. From the sports end of things, JP is defensively solid, but offensively, not so much.

We can’t do anything about his contract - we are stick with him. But surely we can tell him he’s switching positions and he’d have to comply - happy or not. If we could get the same player JP is as a SS at 2B…and then backfill the SS with a stud from free agency - why wouldn’t we? What right does JP have to object? Is there something in his contract that guarantees him SS, or that allows him the right to reject positional changes?

If he is getting paid and we can’t “fire” him or denote him, why can’t we move him if it makes the organization and team better? And if it makes the team better for him to be at 2B, is he being an asshole for refusing to move?
He can't refuse the move just like you or I can't refuse if our company wants to move us to another dept. You don't want him too pissed so the solution is to blow smoke up his ass about their analytics showing that the elimination of the shift means the 2B has now eclipsed SS as the most important defensive position on the diamond so they desperately need his D there, then sign CC or Xander for SS. Done.
So masturbate his ego…?

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Re: Carlos Correa to Richen Pool of FAs

Post by harmony » Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:51 pm

FWIW in 1,290 plate appearances over the past two seasons J.P. Crawford has posted an OPS+ of 101 and a wRC+ of 103.

As points of reference to Crawford's career wRC+ of 98, Hall of Fame shortstops Ozzie Smith and Luis Aparicio had career wRC+ of 90 and 83, respectively, but were known for their defensive prowess.

J.P. Crawford is no Hall of Fame shortstop ... Crawford may never receive an All Star nod. But Crawford is at least an average-hitting, average-fielding shortstop.

This year the Mariners finished 22nd in fWAR at shortstop (barely in front of the fellow postseason qualifying Rays and Yankees). Would another shortstop represent an upgrade over Crawford? Of course. But the Mariners should not prioritize shortstop this offseason.
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Re: Carlos Correa to Richen Pool of FAs

Post by D-train » Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:58 pm

harmony wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:51 pm
FWIW in 1,290 plate appearances over the past two seasons J.P. Crawford has posted an OPS+ of 101 and a wRC+ of 103.

As points of reference to Crawford's career wRC+ of 98, Hall of Fame shortstops Ozzie Smith and Luis Aparicio had career wRC+ of 90 and 83, respectively, but were know for their defensive prowess.

J.P. Crawford is no Hall of Fame shortstop ... Crawford may never receive an All Star nod. But Crawford is at least an average-hitting, average-fielding shortstop.

This year the Mariners finished 22nd in fWAR at shortstop (barely in front of the fellow postseason qualifying Rays and Yankees). Would another shortstop represent an upgrade over Crawford? Of course. But the Mariners should not prioritize shortstop this offseason.
Even if you are fine with JP in the lineup every day a move to 2B seems to be the most viable way to improve offensive production because of significant upgrade options at SS and a complete dearth at 2B.
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Re: Carlos Correa to Richen Pool of FAs

Post by harmony » Sun Oct 16, 2022 7:03 pm

D-train wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:58 pm
harmony wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:51 pm
FWIW in 1,290 plate appearances over the past two seasons J.P. Crawford has posted an OPS+ of 101 and a wRC+ of 103.

As points of reference to Crawford's career wRC+ of 98, Hall of Fame shortstops Ozzie Smith and Luis Aparicio had career wRC+ of 90 and 83, respectively, but were know for their defensive prowess.

J.P. Crawford is no Hall of Fame shortstop ... Crawford may never receive an All Star nod. But Crawford is at least an average-hitting, average-fielding shortstop.

This year the Mariners finished 22nd in fWAR at shortstop (barely in front of the fellow postseason qualifying Rays and Yankees). Would another shortstop represent an upgrade over Crawford? Of course. But the Mariners should not prioritize shortstop this offseason.
Even if you are fine with JP in the lineup every day a move to 2B seems to be the most viable way to improve offensive production because of significant upgrade options at SS and a complete dearth at 2B.
That's an option.

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Re: Carlos Correa to Richen Pool of FAs

Post by Big_Maple » Sun Oct 16, 2022 7:06 pm

D-train wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:58 pm
harmony wrote:
Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:51 pm
FWIW in 1,290 plate appearances over the past two seasons J.P. Crawford has posted an OPS+ of 101 and a wRC+ of 103.

As points of reference to Crawford's career wRC+ of 98, Hall of Fame shortstops Ozzie Smith and Luis Aparicio had career wRC+ of 90 and 83, respectively, but were know for their defensive prowess.

J.P. Crawford is no Hall of Fame shortstop ... Crawford may never receive an All Star nod. But Crawford is at least an average-hitting, average-fielding shortstop.

This year the Mariners finished 22nd in fWAR at shortstop (barely in front of the fellow postseason qualifying Rays and Yankees). Would another shortstop represent an upgrade over Crawford? Of course. But the Mariners should not prioritize shortstop this offseason.
Even if you are fine with JP in the lineup every day a move to 2B seems to be the most viable way to improve offensive production because of significant upgrade options at SS and a complete dearth at 2B.
I’m too lazy to look up the stats here, but aren’t JPs defensive and offensive numbers at SS better than Frazier’s this year at 2B?

If so - and assuming skills are more or less transferable - moving JP to 2B would be an upgrade overall (assuming they sign a stud at SS, it would be an even greater upgrade).

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