The slightly too early trade deadline thread

[Pharmabro]

Here is a trade idea
Cards trade 69.6M value
N. Gorman 2B/3B 34.7 M trade calc
&
Paul G. 1B/DH 34.9 M

M's trade: player POS value prospect rank
Ford C 23.2M trade value #1
Young SS 20.4 M #3
Murfee BP 7.9 M
Woo SP 5M #6
GG OF 7.5M #7
Dollard SP 5.6M #9

[Pharmabro]

There you go: I added two elite bats
A 143 OPS+ 2B/3B who is 23 and a lefty
and a possible HOF 1B
a 148 OPS+ Paul G

To dream
1. SS JP* 100 OPS+ but .349 OBP
2. CF Julio 110 OPS+
3. 2B Nolan G* 143 OPS+
4. 1B Paul G 148 OPS+
5. JK* OF 129 OPS+
6. TY France DH 116 OPS+
7. Cal** C 103 OPS+
8. Eugenio 3B 83 OPS+
9. Teo OF 98 OPS+

Bench Murphy C 81, Moore, Cab 118, (? Haggerty-AJ-TT)

Maybe you slide JP back to 9 and have Julio at #1.

And if Saurez continues to not hit Ty, Cabby, Nolan, Dilly, and even Haggerty could play there.

[desbcoach]

Here is a trade idea
Cards trade 69.6M value
N. Gorman 2B/3B 34.7 M trade calc
&
Paul G. 1B/DH 34.9 M

M's trade: player POS value prospect rank
Ford C 23.2M trade value #1
Young SS 20.4 M #3
Murfee BP 7.9 M
Woo SP 5M #6
GG OF 7.5M #7
Dollard SP 5.6M #9

To me no, we probably are not gonna make playoffs this year and trade will bite us in ass

[Seattle or Bust]

There you go: I added two elite bats
A 143 OPS+ 2B/3B who is 23 and a lefty
and a possible HOF 1B
a 148 OPS+ Paul G

To dream
1. SS JP* 100 OPS+ but .349 OBP
2. CF Julio 110 OPS+
3. 2B Nolan G* 143 OPS+
4. 1B Paul G 148 OPS+
5. JK* OF 129 OPS+
6. TY France DH 116 OPS+
7. Cal** C 103 OPS+
8. Eugenio 3B 83 OPS+
9. Teo OF 98 OPS+

Bench Murphy C 81, Moore, Cab 118, (? Haggerty-AJ-TT)

Maybe you slide JP back to 9 and have Julio at #1.

And if Saurez continues to not hit Ty, Cabby, Nolan, Dilly, and even Haggerty could play there.

Why would the Cardinals trade Nolan Gorman? He's a stud hitter with 6 more years of club control.

If anything, they'd trade Arenado + Goldschmidt as a package to offload the contracts and rebuild w. the prospect haul.

If I'm the M's, I'd consider trying to get both of them if they're for sale and the Cards wave the white flag a bit.

[Pharmabro]

There you go: I added two elite bats
A 143 OPS+ 2B/3B who is 23 and a lefty
and a possible HOF 1B
a 148 OPS+ Paul G

To dream
1. SS JP* 100 OPS+ but .349 OBP
2. CF Julio 110 OPS+
3. 2B Nolan G* 143 OPS+
4. 1B Paul G 148 OPS+
5. JK* OF 129 OPS+
6. TY France DH 116 OPS+
7. Cal** C 103 OPS+
8. Eugenio 3B 83 OPS+
9. Teo OF 98 OPS+

Bench Murphy C 81, Moore, Cab 118, (? Haggerty-AJ-TT)

Maybe you slide JP back to 9 and have Julio at #1.

And if Saurez continues to not hit Ty, Cabby, Nolan, Dilly, and even Haggerty could play there.

Why would the Cardinals trade Nolan Gorman? He's a stud hitter with 6 more years of club control.

If anything, they'd trade Arenado + Goldschmidt as a package to offload the contracts and rebuild w. the prospect haul.

If I'm the M's, I'd consider trying to get both of them if they're for sale and the Cards wave the white flag a bit.

Because we want him and that is his trade calc value. But fine a 3rd baseman might push Geno to DH if his performance deserves PT. I could see France as a 2B.

But Arenado is owed 109M over the next 4 year 94 M is what the M’s would pay and he has a trade calc of -7.1M so I could see pulling Young out and putting in AJ to make the values work.

I have not really looked at Nolan and why he went from #3 in mvp 150s OPS+ in 22 to a 110 OPS+ this year. But, he is 32. I would really have to look into it and if he is just a bad luck victim either on HR/FB, BABIP, UNFAIR umps, etc.

[D-train]

Jerry just said Babe Ruth can't help us which means no big trades.

[Pharmabro]

Jerry just said Babe Ruth can't help us which means no big trades.

I don’t get that at all.

I do agree with him in that you need the guys you have to play to their baseball cards. If we had got Trea Turner and his 70 OPS+ (He had a 4/5 with 2 HR 2 games ago) but having Trea Turner improves the lineup over Wong, But I counted the 7 under performing regulars and it was something like 291 and flipping Wongs 90 point loss for Turner’s 40 point loss. It does not move the needle much.

[desbcoach]

I wonder what seaward could garner at the trade deadline, reasonable 1.5 mil left on this year and 1 more year of arbitration. Based on performance should be a pretty return. 11 to 15mil trade value plus the premium of deadline deal Just thinking out loud

[D-train]

Here is a trade idea
Cards trade 69.6M value
N. Gorman 2B/3B 34.7 M trade calc
&
Paul G. 1B/DH 34.9 M

M's trade: player POS value prospect rank
Ford C 23.2M trade value #1
Young SS 20.4 M #3
Murfee BP 7.9 M
Woo SP 5M #6
GG OF 7.5M #7
Dollard SP 5.6M #9

Incredibly impressive that you nailed the trade values to the PENNY! ha

[Pharmabro]

I saw this trade from Locked on

Which is not as crazy as 1st glance:

M’s trade #2 Miller 23M, TT former top 100, Dollard #9, and someone U have never heard (Josh Hood)of for:

SP ALex Cobb 16.7M 9M for 23 19M team opt for 2024 142 ERA+ In 2023 but a 107 career.
3B/1B/OF JD Davis (12.3M). 2023 135 OPS+, 119 Career free agent 2025 made 4+M this year and expect a modest salary in his walk year

Wade 1B/OF (0.7M) trade calc 144 OPS+ 2023 113 career ( He was a 103 OPS+ before this year. ) 2.5 controlled years

So a couple of decent vets have up years on reasonable 1.5 years of control and seemingly a possible mirage in Wade.

According to trade calc the Giants are giving up 29.7 M in value and the M’s 31.9M

A number of these hot starters return to norms immediately after getting traded. Josh bell was a 159s OPS+ with Nats in Padre land he was a 74..

Frazier was a 126 in Pit and an 86 in SD.

JD said that they have had some conversations and stuff in the Babe Ruth would not fix us interview. Even if you added 15 to 20 Mil as the value on the SF side I could see an easy add if you believed that Wade could maintain 80% of his performance for example.