Garver 2 for 24 reported

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Re: Garver 2 for 24 reported

Post by Pharmabro » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:11 am

D-train wrote:
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This is Linda and I with 7000 pounds of weed20231226_161045(0).jpg

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You know when my dad took us on vacations he would always find a way to work in a brewery tour. Olympia, etc. /also wineries, distillery, etc. Is this a visit to a grow or what is the context?

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Re: Garver 2 for 24 reported

Post by D-train » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:40 am

One of our Best friends Owns the largest cbd oil manufacturing facility in Washington State.
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Re: Garver 2 for 24 reported

Post by Pharmabro » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:57 am

D-train wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:40 am
One of our Best friends Owns the largest cbd oil manufacturing facility in Washington State.
That's cool, and thanks for sharing.

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Re: Garver 2 for 24 reported

Post by Seattle or Bust » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:53 pm

harmony wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:31 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:17 pm
I think Kepler + Polanco is just about the best thing they could do now considering financial restraints.

Polanco would thankfully move Urias off 3B and into more of a utility role.

1. JP Crawford SS
2. Jorge Polanco 3B
3. Julio Rodriguez CF
4. Mitch Garver DH
5. Cal Raleigh C
6. Ty France 1B
7. Dom Canzone LF
8. Josh Rojas 2B
9. Max Kepler RF

Not amazing, but you've just reduced your strikeouts by nearly 300 :lol:

Also likely saves you both Woo and Miller.
FanGraphs projects 30-year-old Jorge Polanco with a 2024 WAR of 2.5 in 141 games while projecting 26-year-old Luis Urias with a 2024 WAR of 1.8 in 102 games. That works out to .0177 WAR per game for Polanco and .0176 per game for Urias. FanGraphs projects 2024 strikeout rates of 22.6 percent for Polanco and 22.3 percent for Urias.

Polanco has a negative 19.8 UZR/150 in 180 career innings at third base (including a negative 8.7 in 103 innings this year) while Urias has a UZR/150 of 2.1 in 1,319.1 career innings at third base (including a UZR/150 of 18.6 in 128 innings this year).

Over the past two seasons Injuries have limited Polanco to 184 games and Urias to 171 games.

Polanco has a 2024 salary of $10.5 million (plus a $750,000 buyout of a $12 million club option for 2025) while Luis Urias is projected to earn a 2024 salary of $4.7 million in his second-to-last arbitration season.
Here you go with stupid WAR projections again. Tell me, did Fangraphs project -0.1 fWAR for Urias in '23 over 53 games? No. Ok. Then I don't care. Also, Polanco hung 1.5 fWAR and 2.0 bWAR in just 80 games last season... so that projection seems ridiculously stupid.

Polanco has a ceiling of 3.5 to 4 fWAR during his best seasons and a floor of around 2 fWAR in his worst seasons. He's been a 118, 119, 124 wRC+ hitter over the past 3 seasons and that's literal gold on a team as shitty offensively as the M's. That hitting is easily worth the $10.5 and $12 million given the state of the league.

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Re: Garver 2 for 24 reported

Post by harmony » Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:55 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:53 pm
harmony wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:31 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:17 pm
I think Kepler + Polanco is just about the best thing they could do now considering financial restraints.

Polanco would thankfully move Urias off 3B and into more of a utility role.

1. JP Crawford SS
2. Jorge Polanco 3B
3. Julio Rodriguez CF
4. Mitch Garver DH
5. Cal Raleigh C
6. Ty France 1B
7. Dom Canzone LF
8. Josh Rojas 2B
9. Max Kepler RF

Not amazing, but you've just reduced your strikeouts by nearly 300 :lol:

Also likely saves you both Woo and Miller.
FanGraphs projects 30-year-old Jorge Polanco with a 2024 WAR of 2.5 in 141 games while projecting 26-year-old Luis Urias with a 2024 WAR of 1.8 in 102 games. That works out to .0177 WAR per game for Polanco and .0176 per game for Urias. FanGraphs projects 2024 strikeout rates of 22.6 percent for Polanco and 22.3 percent for Urias.

Polanco has a negative 19.8 UZR/150 in 180 career innings at third base (including a negative 8.7 in 103 innings this year) while Urias has a UZR/150 of 2.1 in 1,319.1 career innings at third base (including a UZR/150 of 18.6 in 128 innings this year).

Over the past two seasons Injuries have limited Polanco to 184 games and Urias to 171 games.

Polanco has a 2024 salary of $10.5 million (plus a $750,000 buyout of a $12 million club option for 2025) while Luis Urias is projected to earn a 2024 salary of $4.7 million in his second-to-last arbitration season.
Here you go with stupid WAR projections again. Tell me, did Fangraphs project -0.1 fWAR for Urias in '23 over 53 games? No. Ok. Then I don't care. Also, Polanco hung 1.5 fWAR and 2.0 bWAR in just 80 games last season... so that projection seems ridiculously stupid.

Polanco has a ceiling of 3.5 to 4 fWAR during his best seasons and a floor of around 2 fWAR in his worst seasons. He's been a 118, 119, 124 wRC+ hitter over the past 3 seasons and that's literal gold on a team as shitty offensively as the M's. That hitting is easily worth the $10.5 and $12 million given the state of the league.
Thank you for the feedback.

Jorge Polanco might be a better option in a standard fantasy league that counts hitting stats to the exclusion of other real-life contributions.

Projections certainly come with a margin of error. Did Tim Anderson outperform J.P. Crawford this year?

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Re: Garver 2 for 24 reported

Post by Coeurd’Alene J » Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:50 pm

Pharmabro wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:57 am
D-train wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:40 am
One of our Best friends Owns the largest cbd oil manufacturing facility in Washington State.
That's cool, and thanks for sharing.
Stanton is such a pain in the ass that sales for cbd could be epic

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Re: Garver 2 for 24 reported

Post by seattlefan-daBronx » Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:10 pm

Coeurd’Alene J wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:50 pm
Pharmabro wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:57 am
D-train wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:40 am
One of our Best friends Owns the largest cbd oil manufacturing facility in Washington State.
That's cool, and thanks for sharing.
Stanton is such a pain in the ass that sales for cbd could be epic
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Re: Garver 2 for 24 reported

Post by roosevelt » Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:18 pm

That's a lot of coin for a 33 year old who is a part-ime player.
It's not dumpster diving but it is somewhat close.

I guess Jerry got jazzed watching the mlb playoffs???

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Re: Garver 2 for 24 reported

Post by D-train » Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:44 am

Not an Arkins fan but he put together a good piece on Garver. Dude can hit.

https://www.mariners-consigliere.com/p/ ... proven-bat
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Re: Garver 2 for 24 reported

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:51 am

harmony wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:55 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:53 pm
harmony wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:31 pm

FanGraphs projects 30-year-old Jorge Polanco with a 2024 WAR of 2.5 in 141 games while projecting 26-year-old Luis Urias with a 2024 WAR of 1.8 in 102 games. That works out to .0177 WAR per game for Polanco and .0176 per game for Urias. FanGraphs projects 2024 strikeout rates of 22.6 percent for Polanco and 22.3 percent for Urias.

Polanco has a negative 19.8 UZR/150 in 180 career innings at third base (including a negative 8.7 in 103 innings this year) while Urias has a UZR/150 of 2.1 in 1,319.1 career innings at third base (including a UZR/150 of 18.6 in 128 innings this year).

Over the past two seasons Injuries have limited Polanco to 184 games and Urias to 171 games.

Polanco has a 2024 salary of $10.5 million (plus a $750,000 buyout of a $12 million club option for 2025) while Luis Urias is projected to earn a 2024 salary of $4.7 million in his second-to-last arbitration season.
Here you go with stupid WAR projections again. Tell me, did Fangraphs project -0.1 fWAR for Urias in '23 over 53 games? No. Ok. Then I don't care. Also, Polanco hung 1.5 fWAR and 2.0 bWAR in just 80 games last season... so that projection seems ridiculously stupid.

Polanco has a ceiling of 3.5 to 4 fWAR during his best seasons and a floor of around 2 fWAR in his worst seasons. He's been a 118, 119, 124 wRC+ hitter over the past 3 seasons and that's literal gold on a team as shitty offensively as the M's. That hitting is easily worth the $10.5 and $12 million given the state of the league.
Thank you for the feedback.

Jorge Polanco might be a better option in a standard fantasy league that counts hitting stats to the exclusion of other real-life contributions.

Projections certainly come with a margin of error. Did Tim Anderson outperform J.P. Crawford this year?
No. And it would have been silly to project him doing so.

Just as it's silly to shake your head at Polanco and laud Urias. One is a borderline All Star who hangs 3-4 WAR seasons. The other is someone most people are surprised the M's traded for as he was a likely non tender w. the Red Sox.

As for ignoring reality because hitting stats are "fantasy league." I'd much, much, much rather have a quality hitter in Polanco at 3B than a quality defender at 3B w. Geno on a team lacking offense. And remember, Geno was written off as a defender because of a horrid 2021 where the Reds forced him to play SS. Most were not excited by his defensive prowess when he was traded for and Perry Hill helped transform him into one of the better defensive 3B's in the league.

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