Sometimes You Have To Lose To Win

[AZOldDawg]

Jerry it’s time. No more band aid trades trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Go get a real bat and recognize its going to cost prospects. If it’s Vlad and it costs Montez and change so be it. If it’s Robert or Jimenez and costs prospects so be it. I wouldn’t give our best prospects for a one year rental. Lots of possibilities out there but you need to get it done before the big boys jump in. Having a group of starting pitchers who can give you a shot at the ring is a rare commodity. Pairing them with an anemic offense is an embarrassment. As George Allen once said while most of you we in diapers, “The future is now”

[DavidGee24]

Don't see it happening. Remember, DiPoto actually SOUGHT out these guys. He purposely went after Garver knowing that he was the worst hitter in the history of T-Mobile park. He purposely went after Urias knowing that he was one of the worst regular players in MLB in 2023 and was only so-so before that. He purposely went after Haniger clearly having seen that with his numerous injuries and declining production that he was on the verge of collapse.

He did have good intentions with Polanco (and there's no excuse as to why he's so horrible) and Raley, but he purposely acquired three position players that he knew were going to be awful. Considering that Polanco and guys like Winker, Wong and Frazier before him have inexplicably all lost it in a Mariner uniform, I don't think he's even going to try at this point.

[Lamda]

Problem is still money though right? They could take on one of these big bats via trade but will they shell out the $ to cover them for the rest of the year? Or make the trade so terrible for us that the other team has to cover their entire salary ?

[Big_Maple]

Problem is still money though right? They could take on one of these big bats via trade but will they shell out the $ to cover them for the rest of the year? Or make the trade so terrible for us that the other team has to cover their entire salary ?

The money thing is funny. We’ve talked about this before, ad nauseum, but the M’s claim to be as poor as churchmice lwhile remaining one of the most profitable teams in baseball. Pretty much every move, they made this offseason was shedding salary, and I doubt they’re excited about taking on more expensive contracts.

But here’s one other facet to the money thing that we haven’t talked about. Almost all of the money the Mariners have tied up in salaries right now is on position players. Nine of the top 10 players on this team in terms of salary are position players, and only Castillo’s salary breaks the top 10.

Moreover, the Mariners have one of the best pitching rotations in baseball, and 4 of the 5 pitchers are young, and poorly paid.

Our window for contention is NOW. Right fucking now. Because in three or four years our starting rotation will either be traded away for cheaper players, or they’ll leave for free agencies so they can make big money that the Mariners won’t pay them. And with no new elite starters in the prospect pipeline to take their place, we will be left with cheap, crappy position players, and broken down, 3rd tier pitchers they picked up in a dumpster bin. Oh. And JRod unless he exercises an opt out. And why wouldn’t he?

If we don’t add some big, expensive, effective bats now, then it will be 30 years before our Window of contention opens again.

Force Stanton to sell the team to someone willing to spend. We can’t say that often or loud enough.

[Seattle or Bust]

It's pretty sad seeing what Juan Soto did to the M's this series and knowing he was readily available and they didn't even try.

The Yankees traded the equivalent of Emerson Hancock, Isaiah Campbell, Justin Topa, Bryce Miller, and Tom Murphy for Soto and I don't think they're regretting it for a fucking second.

Meanwhile we have a pitching staff that with allow 2-4 runs every start and an offense that will fail to meet that most nights cause we're too god damn afraid to go for it.

I do not mind having a 5th starter who is like a 4.50 ERA guy if it means we've given up one of Miller or Woo for a serious bat. Said the exact same shit before the start of the year and here we are.

[D-train]

Jerry it’s time. No more band aid trades trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Go get a real bat and recognize its going to cost prospects. If it’s Vlad and it costs Montez and change so be it. If it’s Robert or Jimenez and costs prospects so be it. I wouldn’t give our best prospects for a one year rental. Lots of possibilities out there but you need to get it done before the big boys jump in. Having a group of starting pitchers who can give you a shot at the ring is a rare commodity. Pairing them with an anemic offense is an embarrassment. As George Allen once said while most of you we in diapers, “The future is now”

Fuck no. I am not trading Montes for that Fat Bastard.

[D-train]

Don't see it happening. Remember, DiPoto actually SOUGHT out these guys. He purposely went after Garver knowing that he was the worst hitter in the history of T-Mobile park. He purposely went after Urias knowing that he was one of the worst regular players in MLB in 2023 and was only so-so before that. He purposely went after Haniger clearly having seen that with his numerous injuries and declining production that he was on the verge of collapse.

He did have good intentions with Polanco (and there's no excuse as to why he's so horrible) and Raley, but he purposely acquired three position players that he knew were going to be awful. Considering that Polanco and guys like Winker, Wong and Frazier before him have inexplicably all lost it in a Mariner uniform, I don't think he's even going to try at this point.

Seby too.

[Seattle or Bust]

Can call it like it is...

M's missed their chance when they didn't trade for Matt Olson or Juan Soto.

Those young, elite bats aren't on the market right now.

[GL_Storm]

Jerry it’s time. No more band aid trades trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Go get a real bat and recognize its going to cost prospects. If it’s Vlad and it costs Montez and change so be it. If it’s Robert or Jimenez and costs prospects so be it. I wouldn’t give our best prospects for a one year rental. Lots of possibilities out there but you need to get it done before the big boys jump in. Having a group of starting pitchers who can give you a shot at the ring is a rare commodity. Pairing them with an anemic offense is an embarrassment. As George Allen once said while most of you we in diapers, “The future is now”

No

[Seattle or Bust]

Jerry it’s time. No more band aid trades trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Go get a real bat and recognize its going to cost prospects. If it’s Vlad and it costs Montez and change so be it. If it’s Robert or Jimenez and costs prospects so be it. I wouldn’t give our best prospects for a one year rental. Lots of possibilities out there but you need to get it done before the big boys jump in. Having a group of starting pitchers who can give you a shot at the ring is a rare commodity. Pairing them with an anemic offense is an embarrassment. As George Allen once said while most of you we in diapers, “The future is now”

Laz Montes is showing so much promise but is also too early in the process... so the value he's potentially worth isn't going to show up in the return we would like right now. He's got the potential to be worth so much more in a trade down the road if that's what it comes to.

The M's aren't trading a potential superstar prospect for 1.5 years of sub-2 WAR 1B whose only really hyped because of his father's name and a good 2021.