Garver: 2023 2.0, 2024 on pace for -0.3
Haniger 2023 -0.3, 2024 on pace for -1.3
Polanco: 2023 2.0, 2024 on pace for - 0.6
Raley: 2024 2.8, 2024 on pace for 1.4
Urias: 2023 -0.2, 2024 finishes at - 0.2
Zavala: 2024 - 0.3, 2024 finishes at -0.4
The home ballpark is irrelevant as WAR is weighted in accordance with it.
These six players are on pace to take a combined dump of 7.4 WAR from 2023. Similar performances to 2023 would have us (at this point) about 4 games ahead of the Asstros.
WARs for the six players acquired in the offseason
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Re: WARs for the six players acquired in the offseason
Hold onto your hats....they will get lower.
Re: WARs for the six players acquired in the offseason
The home park is to blame. It is top of the league offensive suppression highest in K’s, lowest in walks, and top 5 at suppressing singles, doubles, triples but 18th in HRs . It teaches hitters to be swinging for the fences and who cares if we K 1/3rd of the time. Fix the hitting environment(Period).DavidGee24 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:40 pmGarver: 2023 2.0, 2024 on pace for -0.3
Haniger 2023 -0.3, 2024 on pace for -1.3
Polanco: 2023 2.0, 2024 on pace for - 0.6
Raley: 2024 2.8, 2024 on pace for 1.4
Urias: 2023 -0.2, 2024 finishes at - 0.2
Zavala: 2024 - 0.3, 2024 finishes at -0.4
The home ballpark is irrelevant as WAR is weighted in accordance with it.
These six players are on pace to take a combined dump of 7.4 WAR from 2023. Similar performances to 2023 would have us (at this point) about 4 games ahead of the Asstros.
Re: WARs for the six players acquired in the offseason
Mostly good points imo.Pharmabro wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:25 pmThe home park is to blame. It is top of the league offensive suppression highest in K’s, lowest in walks, and top 5 at suppressing singles, doubles, triples but 18th in HRs . It teaches hitters to be swinging for the fences and who cares if we K 1/3rd of the time. Fix the hitting environment(Period).DavidGee24 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:40 pmGarver: 2023 2.0, 2024 on pace for -0.3
Haniger 2023 -0.3, 2024 on pace for -1.3
Polanco: 2023 2.0, 2024 on pace for - 0.6
Raley: 2024 2.8, 2024 on pace for 1.4
Urias: 2023 -0.2, 2024 finishes at - 0.2
Zavala: 2024 - 0.3, 2024 finishes at -0.4
The home ballpark is irrelevant as WAR is weighted in accordance with it.
These six players are on pace to take a combined dump of 7.4 WAR from 2023. Similar performances to 2023 would have us (at this point) about 4 games ahead of the Asstros.
The Mariners do have the 5th best walk percentage in Home games in MLB at 9.6%
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... &pagenum=1
Their strikeout problems are a byproduct of trying to draw a lot of walks imo.
The Mariners don't walk smart. They're not really all that good at judging, which results in way too many K's as they chase the walks.
They take too many first pitch strikes and called third strikes.
But, hey, at least they walk a lot...
Re: WARs for the six players acquired in the offseason
I don't think they chase walks. If the park leads the league in both strikeouts and fewest walks, then there has to be an environmental factor at work, and the obvious culprit is the batter's eye. We can think of T-Mobile park as the opposite of Coors field, but both parks screw up hitters in their own unique way.bpj wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 12:29 amMostly good points imo.Pharmabro wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:25 pmThe home park is to blame. It is top of the league offensive suppression highest in K’s, lowest in walks, and top 5 at suppressing singles, doubles, triples but 18th in HRs . It teaches hitters to be swinging for the fences and who cares if we K 1/3rd of the time. Fix the hitting environment(Period).DavidGee24 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:40 pmGarver: 2023 2.0, 2024 on pace for -0.3
Haniger 2023 -0.3, 2024 on pace for -1.3
Polanco: 2023 2.0, 2024 on pace for - 0.6
Raley: 2024 2.8, 2024 on pace for 1.4
Urias: 2023 -0.2, 2024 finishes at - 0.2
Zavala: 2024 - 0.3, 2024 finishes at -0.4
The home ballpark is irrelevant as WAR is weighted in accordance with it.
These six players are on pace to take a combined dump of 7.4 WAR from 2023. Similar performances to 2023 would have us (at this point) about 4 games ahead of the Asstros.
The Mariners do have the 5th best walk percentage in Home games in MLB at 9.6%
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... &pagenum=1
Their strikeout problems are a byproduct of trying to draw a lot of walks imo.
The Mariners don't walk smart. They're not really all that good at judging, which results in way too many K's as they chase the walks.
They take too many first pitch strikes and called third strikes.
But, hey, at least they walk a lot...
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Re: WARs for the six players acquired in the offseason
That's my point.GL_Storm wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 12:49 amI don't think they chase walks. If the park leads the league in both strikeouts and fewest walks, then there has to be an environmental factor at work, and the obvious culprit is the batter's eye. We can think of T-Mobile park as the opposite of Coors field, but both parks screw up hitters in their own unique way.bpj wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 12:29 amMostly good points imo.Pharmabro wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:25 pm
The home park is to blame. It is top of the league offensive suppression highest in K’s, lowest in walks, and top 5 at suppressing singles, doubles, triples but 18th in HRs . It teaches hitters to be swinging for the fences and who cares if we K 1/3rd of the time. Fix the hitting environment(Period).
The Mariners do have the 5th best walk percentage in Home games in MLB at 9.6%
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... &pagenum=1
Their strikeout problems are a byproduct of trying to draw a lot of walks imo.
The Mariners don't walk smart. They're not really all that good at judging, which results in way too many K's as they chase the walks.
They take too many first pitch strikes and called third strikes.
But, hey, at least they walk a lot...
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I don't think the poster was correct that we have the fewest walks, especially as far as our bats are concerned.
Our batters have the 5th highest BB% in Home games.
They have the 6th MOST walks in the league in Home games.
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... &pagenum=1
They're getting a lot of walks to go along with a lot of K's. Chasing the walks, imo.
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Re: WARs for the six players acquired in the offseason
WAR actually accounts for home park adjustment, which is why our starting pitchers aren't putting up huge WARs. Our batters are going below and beneath even the worst expectations.Pharmabro wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:25 pmThe home park is to blame. It is top of the league offensive suppression highest in K’s, lowest in walks, and top 5 at suppressing singles, doubles, triples but 18th in HRs . It teaches hitters to be swinging for the fences and who cares if we K 1/3rd of the time. Fix the hitting environment(Period).