Garver getting death threats

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Post by Michael K. » Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:25 pm

Yet another reason this sport is so hard to watch. I remember discussions about if guys like Tony Gwynn would hit .400. Now we have Garver admitting the Mendoza line is a stretch!

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Re: Garver getting death threats

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:27 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:22 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:07 pm

I'm not comparing, the $12 mil is irrelevant, it's a sunk cost. But I don't want Garver to walk away, that would make the roster weaker. He's an over compensated backup catcher but if Cal breaks his leg next week suddenly having Garver on the roster wouldn't be so bad
This team refuses to spend, but you think it’s OK to shell out that much for a guy that would have value if someone else gets hurt? That would be not much difference than justifying that the Chiefs shell out big for a backup QB.
I'm saying it's already shelled out, it's a sunk cost. You paid too much for him but he still has value to the roster.
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Re: Garver getting death threats

Post by mostonmike » Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:37 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:27 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:22 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:07 pm

I'm not comparing, the $12 mil is irrelevant, it's a sunk cost. But I don't want Garver to walk away, that would make the roster weaker. He's an over compensated backup catcher but if Cal breaks his leg next week suddenly having Garver on the roster wouldn't be so bad
This team refuses to spend, but you think it’s OK to shell out that much for a guy that would have value if someone else gets hurt? That would be not much difference than justifying that the Chiefs shell out big for a backup QB.
I'm saying it's already shelled out, it's a sunk cost. You paid too much for him but he still has value to the roster.
I get this year's situation, but we haven't paid next year's $12 million have we? It's going to mean we have $12 million less to spend next year if he sees out that contract. Or put another way we would have $12 million more to spend next year if he isnt here?

Isn't that the $12 million people are banging on about?

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Re: Garver getting death threats

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:05 pm

And they could just cut him and eat the $12 mil which honestly in terms of baseball isn't that big a deal. The padres and Diamondbacks cut much bigger contracts than that recently. The Mariners have in fact a very efficient roster, one of the best in baseball. We can sit here and worry about this stuff because it's the Mariners but only to a point. With the contracts that are underwater, a $12 mil contact? If Stanton went to the owners meetings and complained about $12 mil he'd get laughed at

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Re: Garver getting death threats

Post by tehmc » Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:04 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:22 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:07 pm

I'm not comparing, the $12 mil is irrelevant, it's a sunk cost. But I don't want Garver to walk away, that would make the roster weaker. He's an over compensated backup catcher but if Cal breaks his leg next week suddenly having Garver on the roster wouldn't be so bad
This team refuses to spend, but you think it’s OK to shell out that much for a guy that would have value if someone else gets hurt? That would be not much difference than justifying that the Chiefs shell out big for a backup QB.
A few years ago I paid fair market value for a Kia for my wife, since I purchased it the value has tanked and we owe more than its worth which is prohibiting me from going and buying the larger vehicle that would work better for our family. I already made the mistake of buying the Kia so now keeping it provides more value to me than selling it at a loss and buying the bigger vehicle.

Same deal with Garver, we've already committed the money for Garver so he still holds some value. Your backup QB analogy doesn't work because they didn't shell out big for a backup C.

It would be more like when Seattle paid Matt Flynn starting QB money and also drafted Russell Wilson, sure the Flynn lost the starting role to Wilson but you already have to pay Flynn the money it would make no sense to pay him to not play and also another backup QB when you can have him be the backup QB. Of course NFL contracts aren't guaranteed so they were able to release him the next season and not be on the hook for the whole contract.

I wish MLB contracts weren't fully guaranteed but that will never be approved by the MLBPA

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Re: Garver getting death threats

Post by D-train » Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:09 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:27 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:22 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:07 pm

I'm not comparing, the $12 mil is irrelevant, it's a sunk cost. But I don't want Garver to walk away, that would make the roster weaker. He's an over compensated backup catcher but if Cal breaks his leg next week suddenly having Garver on the roster wouldn't be so bad
This team refuses to spend, but you think it’s OK to shell out that much for a guy that would have value if someone else gets hurt? That would be not much difference than justifying that the Chiefs shell out big for a backup QB.
I'm saying it's already shelled out, it's a sunk cost. You paid too much for him but he still has value to the roster.
He is at -0.2 bWAR....
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Re: Garver getting death threats

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:21 pm

And? You think they'd be better by cutting him?

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Re: Garver getting death threats

Post by D-train » Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:29 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:21 pm
And? You think they'd be better by cutting him?
Probably not better given they traded Blake Hunt but not worse either.
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Re: Garver getting death threats

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:42 pm

I'm talking about this point in time. You could argue cutting haniger could make them a better team because of the players that could get more playing time. But Garver isn't blocking anybody as the second catcher. Terms of his war, that was based on dhing, it has to improve with the defensive value as a catcher. Sure he's grossly overpaid, but he's not just an anchor. They could have saved money if they had gone with Ford. But on the other hand, assuming they both failed they do have some actual value still with Garver. Cutting Garver would make them a worse team. Then they'd have to go find another catcher

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Re: Garver getting death threats

Post by D-train » Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:08 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:42 pm
I'm talking about this point in time. You could argue cutting haniger could make them a better team because of the players that could get more playing time. But Garver isn't blocking anybody as the second catcher. Terms of his war, that was based on dhing, it has to improve with the defensive value as a catcher. Sure he's grossly overpaid, but he's not just an anchor. They could have saved money if they had gone with Ford. But on the other hand, assuming they both failed they do have some actual value still with Garver. Cutting Garver would make them a worse team. Then they'd have to go find another catcher
True. They would either have to go with their trash can catchers in AAA or rush Ford.
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