Dipoto speaks

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Re: Dipoto speaks

Post by Hy Feiber » Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:09 pm

Pharmabro wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:05 am
Lamda wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 12:33 am
Don't like the 4th one - where he's basically saying - See - we had the right players - they just needed to start hitting, lol. Now he will make minimal adjustments and spout off how the last month proved the team was sound.
Robles, Randy, and Rodriguez works
Raley works
Raleigh works
( That is a fine front 5 )

France going from looking like a batting champ to batting chump hurt the build in a huge way. As did all the under performing bats//// Saurez, Teo, Wong, Julio, JP, Jorge, Garver, Haniger.

That said the most important thing I read was being inventive to have Edgar back to make it work for the bat CZAR EdGar the bat Czar. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Suarez and Teo, who drove in 190 runs, that’s “under-performing?”

You’re lumping them in with
Wong and Garvey?

That’s goofy.

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Re: Dipoto speaks

Post by D-train » Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:14 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:20 am
Lamda wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 12:33 am
Don't like the 4th one - where he's basically saying - See - we had the right players - they just needed to start hitting, lol. Now he will make minimal adjustments and spout off how the last month proved the team was sound.
Oddly, I think this team is probably closer than teams of the past.

Despite the fact that the M's won more games in '22/'23... the team coming out of '24 has more established talent on it. Julio, Randy, Robles, Cal, Raley is a nice core of now veteran position players. The starting staff now has 3x established, veteran, stud arms at the top with 2x elite young starters who have a year of experience. The bullpen will be Munoz, Brash, Santos on the back end which is pretty lethal.

He's right that the infield needs to be addressed. Hopefully they make a splash. But I feel a lot better about next year's team than I did in previous years.

And best of all... no Servais.
Pythag is 88-73, one more win than the Astros but MUST find a legit 3B, 2B and DH.
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Re: Dipoto speaks

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:12 pm

Hy Feiber wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:09 pm
Pharmabro wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:05 am
Lamda wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 12:33 am
Don't like the 4th one - where he's basically saying - See - we had the right players - they just needed to start hitting, lol. Now he will make minimal adjustments and spout off how the last month proved the team was sound.
Robles, Randy, and Rodriguez works
Raley works
Raleigh works
( That is a fine front 5 )

France going from looking like a batting champ to batting chump hurt the build in a huge way. As did all the under performing bats//// Saurez, Teo, Wong, Julio, JP, Jorge, Garver, Haniger.

That said the most important thing I read was being inventive to have Edgar back to make it work for the bat CZAR EdGar the bat Czar. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Suarez and Teo, who drove in 190 runs, that’s “under-performing?”

You’re lumping them in with
Wong and Garvey?

That’s goofy.
It is such a farse to believe that Teo and Geno hit this well in the M's lineup.

They hit in the no. 1 and 2 offenses in baseball with maximum protection around them in parks that gave them massive home/road discrepancies.

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Re: Dipoto speaks

Post by D-train » Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:19 pm

Every time he talks I hate him more:
BY CAMERON VAN TIL
Seattle Sports
After breaking their two-decade playoff drought in 2022, the Seattle Mariners will miss the postseason for a second consecutive year.

Rost: Where Mariners’ season ending leaves fans

The Mariners were officially eliminated from playoff contention on Thursday, marking the end of a brutal three-month collapse from holding a 10-game lead atop the American League West on June 18. It will be the third time in four years that Seattle has been eliminated in the final days of the regular season.


During a media availability Saturday prior to the team’s penultimate game of the year, Mariners president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto was asked how frustrating it is to once again be on the outside looking in.

Always has to add a total stretch to try to create positive spin. We have achieved so much??? Made the playoffs ONCE in 9 seasons!! Proof you sustainable roster plan is a complete fail
“Incredibly frustrating,” Dipoto said. “… In some ways what we’ve done organizationally, we’ve achieved so much. We’ve put a good team on the field for four consecutive years. We have talked about creating a sustainable roster. We’re just having a tough time figuring out how to climb the wall from a good team to a very good team or a great team. And that’s going to be our challenge this offseason.

More positive spin and no mention how they completely sucked vs. the Angels and Tigers
“It’s frustrating. I think in many ways I could look at the teams that are in, and we believe we’re as good or better than those teams. And in some ways we performed better than those teams. And if you would have asked me at the start of spring training, you’re going to go 18-8 against the Rangers and the Astros, how many games do you think you’re going to win? I probably wouldn’t have said 83, 84 or 85. But that’s where we find ourselves and we have to find a way over the course of a six-month season to be more consistent than we’ve been.”

Led by a young and ultra-talented starting rotation, the Mariners entered Saturday night leading the majors in ERA. However, their dominant pitching was overshadowed by their struggles at the plate, with their lineup ranking at or near the bottom of the majors in most major offensive statistical categories. The offensive struggles ultimately resulted in manager Scott Servais being relieved of his duties on Aug. 22, with former Mariners standout catcher Dan Wilson replacing him.

After Wilson took over and brought Hall of Fame designated hitter Edgar Martinez on board as the team’s hitting coach, Seattle’s lineup turned a corner and has been among the best in baseball. Since Aug. 23, the Mariners rank sixth in runs scored.

Dipoto said the recent improvements have reaffirmed his belief in this group of players.

“We’ve played very well for the last five weeks,” Dipoto said. “I think in many ways this gives us some insight into just how good we can be. We’ve seen the offense score in a lot of different ways that maybe we weren’t scoring before, and we’re not reliant on a homer or a walk.

More positive spin
“We’ve always believed in the foundation of this team. Obviously we need to improve in some areas and we’ll take a look at that as we get into the offseason. … We’ve got some holes that we’ll need to address and areas of improvement. But all in all, I think that the group has shown us again over these last five weeks why we believe in them.”

Here’s a summary of what Dipoto said regarding the club’s offseason plans:

An important lesson
Dipoto said one of the biggest takeaways from this season was the importance of having the right approach at the plate for the team’s notoriously run-suppressing T-Mobile Park.

“We learned where we may be doing things the wrong way and we have to make adjustments,” Dipoto said. “Not just an approach on the field, but in how we put the roster together and maybe in some of the things we’re looking for and in how those those things fit in our ballpark – maybe that’s been the greatest lesson for us this year. Hopefully, we’re able to to adapt the lessons we’ve learned to building the ’25 team. But like I said, I think most of that is already on the field. And right now we’re seeing how simple messaging can really pull out the best of what our players have to offer. We have a good team. And I hate that we’re going to go home tomorrow, but it is encouraging what we’re seeing over these last five weeks.


Seattle averaged 4.6 runs per game on the road this season, but just 3.7 runs per game at home.

“We’ve been a good run-scoring offense on the road,” Dipoto said. “I think we can be a good run-scoring offense both at home and on the road with a more balanced approach. And again, I don’t want to continue to beat that drum, the team has shown that they are capable of doing this, that we don’t need to to go out and revamp our roster. There’s a reason we’ve had a good team for a handful of years now, and it’s because our players are good. Now we just have to continue to help them evolve their game in a way that suits our ballpark that we can really magnify the results.”

M’s don’t plan to trade starting pitching
Young, talented starting pitching is the most valuable commodity in baseball. That’s why many have floated the idea of Seattle trading away one of its young arms to bolster its lineup.


However, Dipoto said the organization would like to avoid that.

“On the continuum of A to Z, that would be Plan Z — times some denominator,” Dipoto said. “… We could shoot ourselves in the foot by trying to get too crafty in what we do. Our pitching is how we’re built. I love our rotation. I think we have the potential for a dynamic back end of our bullpen. So yeah, that wouldn’t be Plan A. But we’ll go into every offseason open to whatever ideas might make us better.”

The team’s biggest needs
Dipoto said the team is well-stocked with pitching both in its rotation and its bullpen when factoring in high-leverage relievers Matt Brash and Gregory Santos, who combined to pitch just a handful of innings this season due to injuries. Dipoto also said the core of the team’s outfield is set with Julio Rodríguez, Randy Arozarena, Victor Robles and Luke Raley. And of course, catcher Cal Raleigh is a franchise cornerstone behind the plate.


That leaves the infield – especially first base – as the biggest areas of need.
Raley can play 1st base!! yet that is the spot he calls out.
“The outfield, we feel like that’s pretty set moving forward,” Dipoto said. “We’re in a great place behind the plate. Our pitching staff from one through 13 is pretty solid, if you consider the returns of Santos and Brash. We do need to take a look at some spots on our infield. First base is a spot that is going to raise its head, and the infield in general has been an area where we’re piercing it together.
The ole hope for a bounce back to the one season he was actually good. Great plan

“But again, you have good pieces. We will get a better version of (shortstop J.P. Crawford) next year. Hasn’t had his greatest year, but he’s shown us over time how good he can be. … And I do believe there are players in our (farm) system who can contribute more.”

The importance of veteran leadership
Dipoto said another lesson from this season was the importance of veteran leadership. That was evident from the widespread impact 39-year-old slugger Justin Turner had on the club following his arrival as a trade-deadline acquisition. Dipoto said Turner’s impact was similar to that of Carlos Santana, who was a trade-deadline addition in 2022.

Some ridiculous analogy
“Every soup tastes a little bit different based on the number of ingredients you put in,” Dipoto said. “And sometimes, if I’m putting in the wrong ingredient, the soup’s not gonna taste. And we’ve experienced that. I haven’t always picked the right guys to to add to the mix.

“This time, I think this group is the right mix. I wish we could go start again and play with this group for six months. The season won’t let us do that. But I’ve really appreciated getting to see what the the real veteran leadership does for this team, and we’ve seen it now on two occasions and it’s been really pronounced on how much it’s helped our players.”

The payroll situation
The Mariners’ payroll situation was a major topic of conversation last offseason, but Dipoto said he doesn’t expect it to be a concern this offseason.


“I don’t think we’re going down (in payroll),” Dipoto said. “And at the end of the day, the league around us is going to behave the way that they behave. Last year, we had a pretty good feeling that there were a number of teams that were in a unique situation due to the (regional sports network TV) issues.

“I don’t know how that’s going to play out this season or what it’s going to mean for other teams in the league. The only thing I do know going into this season is how it’s going to play out for us, and it’s not going to be nearly the concern that it was this past year.”
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Re: Dipoto speaks

Post by Hy Feiber » Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:26 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:12 pm
Hy Feiber wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:09 pm
Pharmabro wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:05 am


Robles, Randy, and Rodriguez works
Raley works
Raleigh works
( That is a fine front 5 )

France going from looking like a batting champ to batting chump hurt the build in a huge way. As did all the under performing bats//// Saurez, Teo, Wong, Julio, JP, Jorge, Garver, Haniger.

That said the most important thing I read was being inventive to have Edgar back to make it work for the bat CZAR EdGar the bat Czar. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Suarez and Teo, who drove in 190 runs, that’s “under-performing?”

You’re lumping them in with
Wong and Garvey?

That’s goofy.
It is such a farse to believe that Teo and Geno hit this well in the M's lineup.

They hit in the no. 1 and 2 offenses in baseball with maximum protection around them in parks that gave them massive home/road discrepancies.
Those totals I cited were from the Mariners last year.

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Re: Dipoto speaks

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:40 pm

Hy Feiber wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:26 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:12 pm
Hy Feiber wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:09 pm


Suarez and Teo, who drove in 190 runs, that’s “under-performing?”

You’re lumping them in with
Wong and Garvey?

That’s goofy.
It is such a farse to believe that Teo and Geno hit this well in the M's lineup.

They hit in the no. 1 and 2 offenses in baseball with maximum protection around them in parks that gave them massive home/road discrepancies.
Those totals I cited were from the Mariners last year.
All fine and dandy. But it means very little.

Teo and Geno put up less WAR than Rojas and Raley this year.

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Re: Dipoto speaks

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:34 pm

“Areas we’ve been piecing it together,” Dipoto said. “We will get a better version of J.P. next year. He hasn’t had his greatest year, but he’s shown us, over time, how good he can be and my guess is we’ll get a better version next year.”

Appears JP will be the SS.

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Re: Dipoto speaks

Post by bpj » Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:47 pm

Teoscar was a guy that was just demolished by T-Mobile.
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Re: Dipoto speaks

Post by bpj » Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:09 pm

There's already talk about bringing 40 year old Justin Turner back.

Do you guys think that's aiming too low?

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Re: Dipoto speaks

Post by Lamda » Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:51 pm

bpj wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:09 pm
There's already talk about bringing 40 year old Justin Turner back.

Do you guys think that's aiming too low?
Well - we need a 1B, 3B, and DH - hopefully they get a legit bat to fill one of those positions and Turner really isn't it.

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