BPJ's Early Offseason Plan

[bpj]

I don't think the Mariners will do any of this... it's just what I'd do given that their #1 goal is low payroll.

If an offseason plan was trying to predict what the Mariners would do, it would probably be blank because they likely won't do anything meaningful, they never do.

[GL_Storm]

2) Trade Luis Castillo and Mitch Haniger for Triston Casas (126 wRC+ in his first 800 PA) (I could see the Red Sox getting a guy like Pete Alonso to fill the vacancy this creates)
https://youtu.be/eXhhrK1OOBY (this 3 HR game was from 3 days ago)

This trade idea makes some sense to me. Boston can spend money if they want to and if the price of Luis Castillo includes taking on the one year left on Haniger's deal, then I don't see that being an issue for them. And Haniger could bounce back next year. His bat speed is mostly still there, anyway.

And Casas would be an interesting lottery ticket if the Red Sox decide to upgrade at that position.

[Seattle or Bust]

2) Trade Luis Castillo and Mitch Haniger for Triston Casas (126 wRC+ in his first 800 PA) (I could see the Red Sox getting a guy like Pete Alonso to fill the vacancy this creates)
https://youtu.be/eXhhrK1OOBY (this 3 HR game was from 3 days ago)

This trade idea makes some sense to me. Boston can spend money if they want to and if the price of Luis Castillo includes taking on the one year left on Haniger's deal, then I don't see that being an issue for them. And Haniger could bounce back next year. His bat speed is mostly still there, anyway.

And Casas would be an interesting lottery ticket if the Red Sox decide to upgrade at that position.

So the Red Sox are going to take on $120 million in bad to horrific contracts, including $43 million next season, and trade away a 25-year-old 1B with 6 more years of control due to make $760k next year who looks like a 30 homer, .850 OPS guy?

MLBTV has this trade at -$50 million to +$20 million lol... a difference of $70 million in value.

I think MLBTV is wrong... I'd put Castillo's value more at more like $0 considering the money. So even then, you're likely going to have to eat all of Haniger's contract + like 1 year of Castillo's contract to get a deal done.

[GL_Storm]

2) Trade Luis Castillo and Mitch Haniger for Triston Casas (126 wRC+ in his first 800 PA) (I could see the Red Sox getting a guy like Pete Alonso to fill the vacancy this creates)
https://youtu.be/eXhhrK1OOBY (this 3 HR game was from 3 days ago)

This trade idea makes some sense to me. Boston can spend money if they want to and if the price of Luis Castillo includes taking on the one year left on Haniger's deal, then I don't see that being an issue for them. And Haniger could bounce back next year. His bat speed is mostly still there, anyway.

And Casas would be an interesting lottery ticket if the Red Sox decide to upgrade at that position.

So the Red Sox are going to take on $120 million in bad to horrific contracts, including $43 million next season, and trade away a 25-year-old 1B with 6 more years of control due to make $760k next year who looks like a 30 homer, .850 OPS guy?

MLBTV has this trade at -$50 million to +$20 million lol... a difference of $70 million in value.

I think MLBTV is wrong... I'd put Castillo's value more at more like $0 considering the money. So even then, you're likely going to have to eat all of Haniger's contract + like 1 year of Castillo's contract to get a deal done.

I think a lot of teams would take on Castillo's contract. If the Mariners want to move him, I don't see it as much of a problem, and if they want to attach Haniger with him, they can probably do that too.

As for the return, if they're that high on Casas, then no, the Red Sox won't move him, especially if they're taking on a bad salary at the same time. The return would be some sort of minor piece.

[TravelersFan]

2) Trade Luis Castillo and Mitch Haniger for Triston Casas (126 wRC+ in his first 800 PA) (I could see the Red Sox getting a guy like Pete Alonso to fill the vacancy this creates)
https://youtu.be/eXhhrK1OOBY (this 3 HR game was from 3 days ago)

This trade idea makes some sense to me. Boston can spend money if they want to and if the price of Luis Castillo includes taking on the one year left on Haniger's deal, then I don't see that being an issue for them. And Haniger could bounce back next year. His bat speed is mostly still there, anyway.

And Casas would be an interesting lottery ticket if the Red Sox decide to upgrade at that position.

So the Red Sox are going to take on $120 million in bad to horrific contracts, including $43 million next season, and trade away a 25-year-old 1B with 6 more years of control due to make $760k next year who looks like a 30 homer, .850 OPS guy?

MLBTV has this trade at -$50 million to +$20 million lol... a difference of $70 million in value.

I think MLBTV is wrong... I'd put Castillo's value more at more like $0 considering the money. So even then, you're likely going to have to eat all of Haniger's contract + like 1 year of Castillo's contract to get a deal done.

yeah, no way the Red Sox make this deal. why would they do this when they could very possibly sign a FA pitcher for the same money and keep Casas? a Casas or Casas/Abreu for Gilbert or Kirby would make more sense from their perspective.

[D-train]

This trade idea makes some sense to me. Boston can spend money if they want to and if the price of Luis Castillo includes taking on the one year left on Haniger's deal, then I don't see that being an issue for them. And Haniger could bounce back next year. His bat speed is mostly still there, anyway.

And Casas would be an interesting lottery ticket if the Red Sox decide to upgrade at that position.

So the Red Sox are going to take on $120 million in bad to horrific contracts, including $43 million next season, and trade away a 25-year-old 1B with 6 more years of control due to make $760k next year who looks like a 30 homer, .850 OPS guy?

MLBTV has this trade at -$50 million to +$20 million lol... a difference of $70 million in value.

I think MLBTV is wrong... I'd put Castillo's value more at more like $0 considering the money. So even then, you're likely going to have to eat all of Haniger's contract + like 1 year of Castillo's contract to get a deal done.

yeah, no way the Red Sox make this deal. why would they do this when they could very possibly sign a FA pitcher for the same money and keep Casas? a Casas or Casas/Abreu for Gilbert or Kirby would make more sense from their perspective.

Jerry just said trading any starters is plan Z so we can probably close the book on any of those trades....btw Welcome to the forum.

[Bil522]

2) Trade Luis Castillo and Mitch Haniger for Triston Casas (126 wRC+ in his first 800 PA) (I could see the Red Sox getting a guy like Pete Alonso to fill the vacancy this creates)
https://youtu.be/eXhhrK1OOBY (this 3 HR game was from 3 days ago)

This trade idea makes some sense to me. Boston can spend money if they want to and if the price of Luis Castillo includes taking on the one year left on Haniger's deal, then I don't see that being an issue for them. And Haniger could bounce back next year. His bat speed is mostly still there, anyway.

And Casas would be an interesting lottery ticket if the Red Sox decide to upgrade at that position.

So the Red Sox are going to take on $120 million in bad to horrific contracts, including $43 million next season, and trade away a 25-year-old 1B with 6 more years of control due to make $760k next year who looks like a 30 homer, .850 OPS guy?

MLBTV has this trade at -$50 million to +$20 million lol... a difference of $70 million in value.

I think MLBTV is wrong... I'd put Castillo's value more at more like $0 considering the money. So even then, you're likely going to have to eat all of Haniger's contract + like 1 year of Castillo's contract to get a deal done.

I consistently am in awe of what solid people want to do with this team. They advocate for people who'd be horrible in this park. This park was made for '94-96 Junior, a power left handed hitter who could also make contact and take a walk. Yet, all that is ever talked about acquiring is a RH power bat that will be significantly less powerful in T-Mobile. Why? Really, the best RH hitter in the past 2 decades, is Nellie Cruz, and that was with an incredibly good LH bat in front of him. We need the left handed Julio to really balance the lineup. Was nice to see Arraz being mentioned, but he does not have power to be dynamic. I think Brendan Donovan is who we need. He plays 2b,3b,1b, LF and RF. I like him at 3b. He had a horrible start where he played through a tough April then was a really nice hitter on his way to a 112 OPS+ for the season. My deal is Donovan and Nootbar for Woo and Dawel Joesph. Woo will have trouble staying healthy so I am for trading him if one of our starters is going. Donovan is not the LH Julio but he is a bat we need in the lineup.

[Seattle or Bust]

This trade idea makes some sense to me. Boston can spend money if they want to and if the price of Luis Castillo includes taking on the one year left on Haniger's deal, then I don't see that being an issue for them. And Haniger could bounce back next year. His bat speed is mostly still there, anyway.

And Casas would be an interesting lottery ticket if the Red Sox decide to upgrade at that position.

So the Red Sox are going to take on $120 million in bad to horrific contracts, including $43 million next season, and trade away a 25-year-old 1B with 6 more years of control due to make $760k next year who looks like a 30 homer, .850 OPS guy?

MLBTV has this trade at -$50 million to +$20 million lol... a difference of $70 million in value.

I think MLBTV is wrong... I'd put Castillo's value more at more like $0 considering the money. So even then, you're likely going to have to eat all of Haniger's contract + like 1 year of Castillo's contract to get a deal done.

I consistently am in awe of what solid people want to do with this team. They advocate for people who'd be horrible in this park. This park was made for '94-96 Junior, a power left handed hitter who could also make contact and take a walk. Yet, all that is ever talked about acquiring is a RH power bat that will be significantly less powerful in T-Mobile. Why? Really, the best RH hitter in the past 2 decades, is Nellie Cruz, and that was with an incredibly good LH bat in front of him. We need the left handed Julio to really balance the lineup. Was nice to see Arraz being mentioned, but he does not have power to be dynamic. I think Brendan Donovan is who we need. He plays 2b,3b,1b, LF and RF. I like him at 3b. He had a horrible start where he played through a tough April then was a really nice hitter on his way to a 112 OPS+ for the season. My deal is Donovan and Nootbar for Woo and Dawel Joesph. Woo will have trouble staying healthy so I am for trading him if one of our starters is going. Donovan is not the LH Julio but he is a bat we need in the lineup.

I appreciate you suggesting a trade. I also would like a lefty power bat but am unsure about who is available.

Issue is, there's a 0% chance Woo is traded. Donovan can play 3B... but he only played 9 games there in '24, 37 for his career. I'd also prefer a guy at 3rd with a bit more pop.

As for a lefty bat... BPJ is suggesting one. I like Casas and think he'd be a good fit. Not sure Boston is wanting to move him though.

I like Matt Olson better, I'm also not sure he'll be available.

[Sports Hernia]

If JP, Moore, and the dual Mitches are on the team next year they will miss the playoffs again next year.
Time to clear out the deadwood even if it means eating bad contracts.

Start Bliss next year, and bat him 2nd, behind Robles.
That speed at the top would be killer and Bliss is cheap (hello Stanton).

Make a couple of trades or heres an idea, SPEND some $$$ on quality free agents even if it cuts into the fireworks and bobblehead budget.

[TravelersFan]

So the Red Sox are going to take on $120 million in bad to horrific contracts, including $43 million next season, and trade away a 25-year-old 1B with 6 more years of control due to make $760k next year who looks like a 30 homer, .850 OPS guy?

MLBTV has this trade at -$50 million to +$20 million lol... a difference of $70 million in value.

I think MLBTV is wrong... I'd put Castillo's value more at more like $0 considering the money. So even then, you're likely going to have to eat all of Haniger's contract + like 1 year of Castillo's contract to get a deal done.

yeah, no way the Red Sox make this deal. why would they do this when they could very possibly sign a FA pitcher for the same money and keep Casas? a Casas or Casas/Abreu for Gilbert or Kirby would make more sense from their perspective.

Jerry just said trading any starters is plan Z so we can probably close the book on any of those trades....btw Welcome to the forum.

thanks for having me.

if i were in Jerry's position, i wouldn't trade any starters either. i don't know what his budget is, but he could certainly help this team by signing a FA like Bregman, Walker, or Santander.