Jude's Plan

[D-train]

Some fans are just as dumb as Jerry. No wonder they still love him.

[bpj]

We're more likely to end up with someone like Jake Burger than a Bregman.

Pretty poetic considering the Mariners moves always amount to a hamburger when we want a steak.

[Pharmabro]

Gilbert 81.5M trade calc, Michael Arroyo 13.5M Ben Williams 6.8M
Total out 101.8M

Casas 19M
Brandon Lowe 16M from Rays
AAA SS Marcello Meyer 64.9M 1st Rd. pick #4

Total in 99.9M

Jude insinuates that "one of the 4 young pitchers is what it takes to get Casas." You made it sound like you were agreeing close to a 1:1.

What incentive do the Red Sox have to trade Mayer? There's nobody blocking him and he's a top prospect that will debut for them in '26. Their roster isn't good enough to trade from the strength of their farm. There's no middle infield depth at the MLB level for them or even close on the farm other than Mayer.

Conversely, why would the M's trade for Mayer? 3 of the top 5 prospects are SS prospects... all top 100. 2x with the M's within the next 2 seasons. Mayer doesn't help the M's in '25... trading Gilbert and getting a prospect back weakens the team's biggest strength for a year they're trying to contend.

The M's just don't match up as trade partner's with the Red Sox when it comes to trading MLB pitchers. Why wouldn't they just work a deal with the White Sox for Crochet purely with prospects and call it a day?

He is almost 22yo. He will debut in 2025

Probably, and with JP, Muncy, and Lowe all short time 1 or 2 with Lowe and 2 with Muncy and JP there is an opening there. And Lowe has averaged about 95 games played the last 6 years. Muncy 109 games the last 5. It is an interesting subject to consider.

[Pharmabro]

That would raise some eyebrows. Arroyo and BW to the Rays?

I had a similar trade pack going to the Rays for Lowe alone. But let's pretend that the Sox have someone the Rays want. Gilbert, was a big innings eater for the M's. And will only be entering Arb-one. The reason the Sox do it is to get a front line starter that will make around 3-4 million in year one. Meyer is a prospect. Like all prospects he has no guarantee. But he has hit AAA at age 21 and next year should JP, Lowe, or (Muncy?) get injured we could see him.

I had a similar trade come to mind involving Luis. It was for the braves 1B Matt Olson. It would be for 2 big trade guys who were extended post trade exchanged for each other.

All of these trade ideas are pretty far-fetched. There is no Washington Nationals World series team folding-up with multiple stud players available like: Trea Turner, Schwarber, Soto, Scherzer, Bell, etc. Nobody really has had candid conversations with the Braves and Dodgers and have been like: Hi, if the M's trade you Luis you would be willing to send Max, Olson, etc.

But what I like about the Luis trade is that it gives the M's a second chance at the Snell angle as well as bringing in a high level bat. I like the Muncy idea better because of the positions involved.

"Our team is here"
Dipoto dispelled speculation that the Mariners would be open to dealing young starting pitchers Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, Bryce Miller and Bryan Woo, likening the notion to “plan Z.”

That is true. But I mean with Luis and the dollars owed it is one way to get a Muncy, or Olson, etc, etc with impact potential. And JD has usually been transparent with the plans and goals. " Draft, develop, trade", and "No on long term FA bats", etc.

[Pharmabro]

We're more likely to end up with someone like Jake Burger than a Bregman.

Pretty poetic considering the Mariners moves always amount to a hamburger when we want a steak.

Jake Burger is a huge upgrade over Rojas at 3B. I know on baseballref it says 103 OPS+ and 0.5 WAR vs. Rojas with 2.1 WAR almost all bases and defense. But Jake has been over 100 OPS+ every year as high as a 125 OPS+ and as many as 34 HR in 141 games in a season. But, he is capable of getting you 80+ runs, and 80+ RBI and Rojas just gets maybe 1/2 that.

And the thing is he is still in Pre-Arb

[GL_Storm]

We're more likely to end up with someone like Jake Burger than a Bregman.

Pretty poetic considering the Mariners moves always amount to a hamburger when we want a steak.

Jake Burger is a huge upgrade over Rojas at 3B. I know on baseballref it says 103 OPS+ and 0.5 WAR vs. Rojas with 2.1 WAR almost all bases and defense. But Jake has been over 100 OPS+ every year as high as a 125 OPS+ and as many as 34 HR in 141 games in a season. But, he is capable of getting you 80+ runs, and 80+ RBI and Rojas just gets maybe 1/2 that.

And the thing is he is still in Pre-Arb

But what will happen to him if he's playing half his games at TMO?

[Pharmabro]

We're more likely to end up with someone like Jake Burger than a Bregman.

Pretty poetic considering the Mariners moves always amount to a hamburger when we want a steak.

Jake Burger is a huge upgrade over Rojas at 3B. I know on baseballref it says 103 OPS+ and 0.5 WAR vs. Rojas with 2.1 WAR almost all bases and defense. But Jake has been over 100 OPS+ every year as high as a 125 OPS+ and as many as 34 HR in 141 games in a season. But, he is capable of getting you 80+ runs, and 80+ RBI and Rojas just gets maybe 1/2 that.

And the thing is he is still in Pre-Arb

But what will happen to him if he's playing half his games at TMO?

Nothing, as long as Gar the bat whisperer spices those bats with the secret sauce.

[bpj]

We're more likely to end up with someone like Jake Burger than a Bregman.

Pretty poetic considering the Mariners moves always amount to a hamburger when we want a steak.

Jake Burger is a huge upgrade over Rojas at 3B. I know on baseballref it says 103 OPS+ and 0.5 WAR vs. Rojas with 2.1 WAR almost all bases and defense. But Jake has been over 100 OPS+ every year as high as a 125 OPS+ and as many as 34 HR in 141 games in a season. But, he is capable of getting you 80+ runs, and 80+ RBI and Rojas just gets maybe 1/2 that.

And the thing is he is still in Pre-Arb

But what will happen to him if he's playing half his games at TMO?

He had an .814 OPS on the road and a .705 OPS in Miami this season. In that park, that probably translates pretty well to T-Mobile, although his career numbers are pretty much the opposite. Maybe needed steady playing time.

He's a Raley type move.

Definitely some downside with Burger, but if the moves were under the radar moves like Burger and Casas, it would a very deep lineup without the downside of being "stuck" with expensive contracts that underperform which has been Dipoto's kryptonite.

[Seattle or Bust]

I still think Matt Olson is the perfect fit.

He's got great left on left splits. .887/.799 career. Was better against lefties in 2024 w. an .836 OPS. Hung an .896 OPS 2nd half.

Attach a couple prospects to Haniger and offload him somewhere to create the payroll flexibility.

Do it.

[GL_Storm]

I still think Matt Olson is the perfect fit.

He's got great left on left splits. .887/.799 career. Was better against lefties in 2024 w. an .836 OPS. Hung an .896 OPS 2nd half.

Attach a couple prospects to Haniger and offload him somewhere to create the payroll flexibility.

Do it.

Remind me why you think Olson might be gettable?