So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

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Post by bpj » Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:24 pm

D-train wrote:
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bpj wrote:
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D-train wrote:
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I think they overvalued Miller and undervalue Casas some, but I'm open to whatever deal they could pull off. Maybe attach Garver.
If Miller is overvalued and Casas is undervalued which I tend to agree, Garver would make it an even worse deal for the Red Sox.
I had Arozarena's value in there also since we're getting Abreu in that scenario. Not sure what Garvers negative value is, but seems about right to offset Arozarena being included.

I'd even include a prospect over Garver to even out any value discrepancy.

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Post by D-train » Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:10 am

bpj wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:24 pm
D-train wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:54 pm
bpj wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:27 pm


I think they overvalued Miller and undervalue Casas some, but I'm open to whatever deal they could pull off. Maybe attach Garver.
If Miller is overvalued and Casas is undervalued which I tend to agree, Garver would make it an even worse deal for the Red Sox.
I had Arozarena's value in there also since we're getting Abreu in that scenario. Not sure what Garvers negative value is, but seems about right to offset Arozarena being included.

I'd even include a prospect over Garver to even out any value discrepancy.
Got it. Makes sense.
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Post by D-train » Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:12 am

So a week after I got to CA there was an Earthquake with an Epicenter only 10 miles from me. Last week there was a 15k acre Wild fire that took out 134 homes only 3 miles from our house.
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Post by Donn Beach » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:10 am

D-train wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:53 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
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I would just keep Randy instead of doing that. He had a higher OPS+ in a down year than Robert's career OPS+
The point seems moot anyway.

They've told you they're going to get a couple infielders and that the OF is set.

Go get Brandon Lowe and Alec Bohm... add a righty who can play some 1B... there's your off season.
++\q=++q+++

Still need a DH...
You think dipoto doubles down on another dh, it was surprising last year. That one is still on the roster at $12 mil, he gets another one?

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Post by Donn Beach » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:37 am

Pharmabro wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:49 am
bhofferb wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:56 am
So here's a question- If you were told that the M's could be guaranteed to win 100 games a year for the next 5nyears, but after that they would be guaranteed to lose 100 a year for the five years after that, do you make the deal?
Yes. But it is usually more like 4 years of suck to completely rebuild but just for the sake of argument, yes.

Look, I think they keep on doing the same 1/2 ass shit. There is 11.3M on the table with dropping trash players they dropped Irias's 5M but it looks like they are keeping.
Dump them
Austin Voth (5.115): $2.2MM (102 ERA+)
Luis Urias (5.014): $5MM The only one so far
Trent Thornton (4.148): $2.1MM (100 ERA+)
Josh Rojas (4.126): $4.3MM (91 OPS+)
Sam Haggerty (4.036): $900K (Injured and expected to miss significant time)
Tayler Saucedo (3.112): $1MM (107 ERA+)
Gabe Speier (2.172): $900K (65 ERA+)
Keep
Randy Arozarena (4.129): $11.7MM
Logan Gilbert (3.144): $8.1MM
Cal Raleigh (3.085): $5.6MM
JT Chargois (5.101): $1.7MM

Rojas in particular grinds my gears. In 142 games 476 PA's he managed to drive in 31 RBI
VS
Jake Burger in 137 games in a down year for him he hit 29 bombs and drove in 76 RBI on a Miami team that hit a lot worse than us. We had a 103 OPS+ they had an 83.

And these fucking morons that run this team are blind to their moronic plan of turning an RBI position into a job share between two guys that should be bench players. Brought in when someone gets plunked in the wrist or crashes into a wall. They should not be getting the combined 917 PA's they got last year but it looks like from these reports that is their plan. Just like it was their plan last year.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results. Sorry for ranting here but I really want to look at a roster and think with health we could beat anybody. And it is there for the taking.
Burger with 100 more PAs put up .5 war to Rojas 2.2

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Post by GL_Storm » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:57 am

Jake Burger is the savior. He'll come here and magically be the one guy that can hit in this ballpark. And when he retires they'll put a statue of him in front of the park. Or maybe Alec Bohm will be that guy, the 6'5" colossus that somehow doesn't hit for power. But he'll come here and blossom into the slugger he was always meant to be.

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Re: So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

Post by Hy Feiber » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:11 am

D-train wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:12 am
So a week after I got to CA there was an Earthquake with an Epicenter only 10 miles from me. Last week there was a 15k acre Wild fire that took out 134 homes only 3 miles from our house.
But other than that, things are great, right?

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Re: So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

Post by bpj » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:17 am

D-train wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:12 am
So a week after I got to CA there was an Earthquake with an Epicenter only 10 miles from me. Last week there was a 15k acre Wild fire that took out 134 homes only 3 miles from our house.
Well at least there haven't been any signs that you should get outta that state asap!!

:shock: :shock:

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Post by TLO Idaho » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:31 am

D-train wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:12 am
So a week after I got to CA there was an Earthquake with an Epicenter only 10 miles from me. Last week there was a 15k acre Wild fire that took out 134 homes only 3 miles from our house.
I'm sure glad I live where I do ( Idaho ) Right Jay ?

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Post by harmony » Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:05 am

The Mariners are unlikely to trade Logan Gilbert but this proposal is enticing:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/175846

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... tching-mlb

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb

An outfield of Wilyer Abreu, Julio Rodriguez and Victor Robles would be strong defensively, sending Randy Arozarena to the DH slot.

The financial implications are almost too good to be true as Triston Casas and Abreu are pre-arb while Shane Baz is projected to earn only $1.9 million in 2025. Logan Gilbert's projected salary of $8.1 million helps offset the $10.5 million owed Brandon Lowe next year.

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