So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

[Pharmabro]

The most basic issue is adding wins, that's what war is about. Getting past looking at individual stats, combining everything to determine how many wins a player actually delivers. I don't care about home runs, or rbis, I care about who delivers wins. Rojas delivers more wins over burger in relatively the same amount of time. You don't agree with that? That's fine, just don't bring up war. You want to be old school then go for it, what kills me is the cherry picking. War is only used if it happens to agree with someone's `already preconceived opinion

And I am among many here who have stated that WAR puts too much importance on inconsistent D-Metrics.

In 2023 as you can see in Az. and Seattle Josh was worth either zero or negative runs on defensive runs saved. But after a preseason to work with Perry Hill he had + ratings at 2B and 3B. Infact; if you bother to look his whole career, he has more negative, and zero values than it does for + defense. Get Burger and I bet Perry works the same magic as he did with Saurez, and Rojas and many others before him. Jack Z tried to focus on D and run prevention. It didn't work: 2010 M's had great D
SS Josh Wilson (DFRS/year = 19) (OPS+ 62)
SS Jack Wilson (DFRS/year = 6) (OPS+ 68)
LF M. Saunders (+6 DFRS/year) (86 OPS+)
3B Jose Lopez (SFRS/Year = 10) (OPS+ 71)
1B. Casey K Defensive runs save/Year (4) (OPS+ 73) 9HR
CF F. Gutierrez (0 DEFRS/year) (87 OPS+)
RF Suzuki (SFRS/year = -1) (113 OPS+)
C Moore (-4 DFRS/year) (44 OPS+)
2B Figgins (-8 DFRS/year) (84 OPS+)

Both Cliff Lee and Felix were in the CY race that year: Felix won, Lee #7. And with 2 Aces and that D they went 61-101.

And something that should stick out to you is that both Guti and Ichiro were considered strong defenders at their positions, but this D-metric had them at zero and -1 runs saved.

Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[tehmc]

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I just don't see Boston taking Harry Ford when they already have Kyle Teel who is ranked higher or Tampa Bay trading for Arozarena again

I like the idea of getting Casas and Lowe though

Cole Young then.

I would absolutely do that trade

[D-train]

The most basic issue is adding wins, that's what war is about. Getting past looking at individual stats, combining everything to determine how many wins a player actually delivers. I don't care about home runs, or rbis, I care about who delivers wins. Rojas delivers more wins over burger in relatively the same amount of time. You don't agree with that? That's fine, just don't bring up war. You want to be old school then go for it, what kills me is the cherry picking. War is only used if it happens to agree with someone's `already preconceived opinion

And I am among many here who have stated that WAR puts too much importance on inconsistent D-Metrics.

In 2023 as you can see in Az. and Seattle Josh was worth either zero or negative runs on defensive runs saved. But after a preseason to work with Perry Hill he had + ratings at 2B and 3B. Infact; if you bother to look his whole career, he has more negative, and zero values than it does for + defense. Get Burger and I bet Perry works the same magic as he did with Saurez, and Rojas and many others before him. Jack Z tried to focus on D and run prevention. It didn't work: 2010 M's had great D
SS Josh Wilson (DFRS/year = 19) (OPS+ 62)
SS Jack Wilson (DFRS/year = 6) (OPS+ 68)
LF M. Saunders (+6 DFRS/year) (86 OPS+)
3B Jose Lopez (SFRS/Year = 10) (OPS+ 71)
1B. Casey K Defensive runs save/Year (4) (OPS+ 73) 9HR
CF F. Gutierrez (0 DEFRS/year) (87 OPS+)
RF Suzuki (SFRS/year = -1) (113 OPS+)
C Moore (-4 DFRS/year) (44 OPS+)
2B Figgins (-8 DFRS/year) (84 OPS+)

Both Cliff Lee and Felix were in the CY race that year: Felix won, Lee #7. And with 2 Aces and that D they went 61-101.

And something that should stick out to you is that both Guti and Ichiro were considered strong defenders at their positions, but this D-metric had them at zero and -1 runs saved.

Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Nathan you are a good guy but my God your posts are like drinking through fire hose. I usually just skip right past them. Consider being more succinct. Maybe it is just me and my ADHD.

[Donn Beach]

Yeah there's interesting stuff there but it's hard to respond to, you could use an editor

[D-train]

Good piece here. If you are on budget go for guys with poor overall OPS but good 2nd half OPS.

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[Seattle or Bust]

Goldschmidt's hard-hit numbers were in the top quarter of baseball. He mashed lefties in '24.

Perhaps he's the platoon w. Raley we need at 1B w. the potential to DH if we're going to sign a geezer.

[D-train]

Goldschmidt's hard-hit numbers were in the top quarter of baseball. He mashed lefties in '24.

Perhaps he's the platoon w. Raley we need at 1B w. the potential to DH if we're going to sign a geezer.

And jerry can say the went all in by signing a former MVP....

[Seattle or Bust]

Goldschmidt's hard-hit numbers were in the top quarter of baseball. He mashed lefties in '24.

Perhaps he's the platoon w. Raley we need at 1B w. the potential to DH if we're going to sign a geezer.

And jerry can say the went all in by signing a former MVP....

He's probably got the best chance of not crashing and burning... and there's a boom scenario where he taps into a 30+ homer season.

The reason why I don't want to sign Turner or Santana is if father time finally catches up... you've now got 3x position less geezers on your team eating up playing time and roster spots. These 2 seem the most likely to crater.

[bpj]

The only way Turner makes any sense at all imo is if they're get rid of Haniger and don't plan to use Garver at DH.

I'd rather have Turner than Haniger or Garver, yeah, but I'd rather have none of them.

If they can't do better than that at DH then they're not going to win anyways imo.

[D-train]

The only way Turner makes any sense at all imo is if they're get rid of Haniger and don't plan to use Garver at DH.

I'd rather have Turner than Haniger or Garver, yeah, but I'd rather have none of them.

If they can't do better than that at DH then they're not going to win anyways imo.

The are keeping all 3 which means the only chance for upgrade is 3rd and 2nd it sounds like they are fine platooning Rojas with Moore/Bliss at one spot. This off season is going to be a Double nothing burger with moldy cheese wilted lettuce and a rotten tomato.