I am warming up to Nico

[Donn Beach]

This, Rosenthal actually follows the mariners

“After trading for Carlos Santana and Justin Turner the past two deadlines, the Seattle Mariners want to acquire that type of veteran presence for an entire season, not just the final two months. Santana will play next season at 39, Turner at 40,” Rosenthal wrote.

“Both, however, are still above-average offensive players, and Santana just won his first Gold Glove at first base. Pete Alonso or Christian Walker would better fill the Mariners’ need at that position, but it would be an upset if Seattle emerged as the high bidder for either

[D-train]

Nico Hoerner could be a fit. It's counterintuitive because he doesn't hit for power, but TMO is where power hitters die anyway and he does everything else pretty well. Super slow bat though.

He has a super contact bat low K's and BB %. I don't know if that profile would play well at all in T-Mo. The only thing it doesn't negate at or near the worst for hitters is HR #s.

I's switch up to Lowe, and Burger. and then 1 of the 30's or 40 year old 1B: Walker, Santana, or JT

Walker was predicted to get 3 X 20MM/ The same number they predicted for Kik who got 3 for 61M total. Walker has won the Gold Glove the last 2 years and has been a 116 to 126 OPS+ the last 3 years. He is a good, not great bat and I still have a stigma where if you sign a guy for 20M a year he needs to be "the straw that stirs the drink"

That works if you pack up Haniger's 17.5M along with a prospect or 2. Lowe adds 10M, Burger is pre arb, that would add 13-14 Million and you could still add a decent BP guy, + prefer a South Paw.

1. Robles RF
2. JRod CF
3. Raley* DH
4. Walker 1B
5. Cal** C
6. Randy LF
7. Lowe* 2B
8. Burger 3B
9. JP*

Bench Garver, Moore, Bliss + 1 0f (T-Lock, Canzone*, etc)

Walker has averaged 30 (doubles and triples combined) and 32 HRs and averaged 94 RBI/ year the last three years.

Burger 26 (2x, & 3X), 32 HRs, and 78 RBI in 139 games played averaged the last 2 years.

Lowe: Has averaged 108 games the last 2 years and has hit 21 HR in each year, averaged 19 (doubles plus triples) and has averaged 63 RBI. Based on a near 162 games season you are looking at 30-30 and 90 to 100 RBI. And Rays hitters we have traded for have generally lived up to billing: Raley 129 OPS+, Randy 118 OPS+, Denard Span 113 OPS+

That line-up from 2-8 you expect 20-40 HR

As for the bench
The last 4 seasons Walker misses 21 games per season
Burger misses 23 per
Lowe last 2 misses 54
Raley last 2 seasons misses an average of 34
Randy over the last 4 averages 12 games missed a season

Those 5 = 144 games available for the bench. And that is not all, those include pinch hits, runs, defensive replacements and removed due to injury, replacement.

I view Dilly Moore as the MLB version of the NBA's 6th-man. He is the 1st off the bench. He is not a starter but gets almost starter minutes by being that next man up at many positions.

This team looks competitive. What do you guys think?

Try again. So many words and so little sense....

Nico 3.9 fWAR
Burger + Lowe = 3.6 fWAR

Nico 3.7 bWAR
Burger + Lowe = 2.9 bWAR


Walker in 2024 .802 OPS. He is 34 yo and is expected to get 3 x $22M from the Yankees
Garver in 2023 .870 OPS. He was 33 yo and got at total of $24M for 2 years.

[D-train]

This, Rosenthal actually follows the mariners

“After trading for Carlos Santana and Justin Turner the past two deadlines, the Seattle Mariners want to acquire that type of veteran presence for an entire season, not just the final two months. Santana will play next season at 39, Turner at 40,” Rosenthal wrote.

“Both, however, are still above-average offensive players, and Santana just won his first Gold Glove at first base. Pete Alonso or Christian Walker would better fill the Mariners’ need at that position, but it would be an upset if Seattle emerged as the high bidder for either

I am fine with Santana. If if he regresses he is a two WAR player that allows Raley to move back to the OF and occassional DH and provide rest days for Santana at 1B.

[Donn Beach]

Yeah, Carlos at first, in-house second baseman, that leaves 3rd base to tackle, for me that's the question. See where Lookout landing came up with some actual content with a Nolan Arenado trade scenario. They sell it as being clever enough for dipoto. I agree, to channel dipoto it's got to be clever.

I read something about the winter meetings, pointed out dipoto is usually active before that. Dipoto is going into the meetings feeling like he doesn't have much work to do. He really doesn't look at things the way we do here. He's not desperate about anything. It will be interesting to see what he comes up with for 3rd but that's about it, that's the off season. That is unless something clever comes up for some other position

[D-train]

Yeah, Carlos at first, in-house second baseman, that leaves 3rd base to tackle, for me that's the question. See where Lookout landing came up with some actual content with a Nolan Arenado trade scenario. They sell it as being clever enough for dipoto. I agree, to channel dipoto it's got to be clever.

I read something about the winter meetings, pointed out dipoto is usually active before that. Dipoto is going into the meetings feeling like he doesn't have much work to do. He really doesn't look at things the way we do here. He's not desperate about anything. It will be interesting to see what he comes up with for 3rd but that's about it, that's the off season. That is unless something clever comes up for some other position

The Shenton trade gives him a bit of leverage, a very little bit but more than before. They aren't going to take on Nolan's salary though unless he can trick them to take Haniger or maybe send them Castillo.

[Captain 97]

Walker in 2024 .802 OPS. He is 34 yo and is expected to get 3 x $22M from the Yankees
Garver in 2023 .870 OPS. He was 33 yo and got at total of $24M for 2 years.

Thats not exactly a fair comparison. Garver has never been more than a part time player. He played 87 games in 2023. Walker has 3 consecutive years above .800 ops as a full time player and 3 consecutive Gold Gloves as well.

Garver career at T-mobile prior to last season was 0-31
Walker career at T-mobile .333/.368/.556/.924

[D-train]

Sure he is better than Garver but a year older. He has a .790 OPS over the past four seasons in his age 30-33 seasons. Good not great for a 1B.

I'm not paying $20M+ as season for his 34-36 years. Even with his good D. He will be France by the end of it. We all started hating France and he was only making a few mil a year.

[Donn Beach]

Never fear, neither are the mariners, but that's the market. $20 mil is pretty pedestrian these days

[GL_Storm]

This, Rosenthal actually follows the mariners

“After trading for Carlos Santana and Justin Turner the past two deadlines, the Seattle Mariners want to acquire that type of veteran presence for an entire season, not just the final two months. Santana will play next season at 39, Turner at 40,” Rosenthal wrote.

“Both, however, are still above-average offensive players, and Santana just won his first Gold Glove at first base. Pete Alonso or Christian Walker would better fill the Mariners’ need at that position, but it would be an upset if Seattle emerged as the high bidder for either

I am fine with Santana. If if he regresses he is a two WAR player that allows Raley to move back to the OF and occassional DH and provide rest days for Santana at 1B.

I'd rather they not sign anybody than sign Santana or Turner. I would rather they re-sign Josh Rojas, who may not have a great bat, but can at least do multiple things for you off the bench.

[D-train]

Never fear, neither are the mariners, but that's the market. $20 mil is pretty pedestrian these days

He isn't worth 10x more of a financial commitment than Santana who is a SH and just won a GG and had the identical WAR last season.