Block buster trade with the Cards

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[DavidGee24]

It's so weird how these trade apps say it's a good trade even though the Cardinals would laugh at us if we proposed this, money be damned. I don't think that any of us here would trade both those guys for Castillo.

[Captain 97]

It's so weird how these trade apps say it's a good trade even though the Cardinals would laugh at us if we proposed this, money be damned. I don't think that any of us here would trade both those guys for Castillo.

I don't think They'd laugh at it. There is a lot of chatter that they would like to get out from under that Arrenado deal. Their top 2 guys in Innings pitched last year had a 5.35 and a 4.24 ERA respectively so they should definitely be looking for pitching.

[DavidGee24]

It's so weird how these trade apps say it's a good trade even though the Cardinals would laugh at us if we proposed this, money be damned. I don't think that any of us here would trade both those guys for Castillo.

I don't think They'd laugh at it. There is a lot of chatter that they would like to get out from under that Arrenado deal. Their top 2 guys in Innings pitched last year had a 5.35 and a 4.24 ERA respectively so they should definitely be looking for pitching.

Arenado for Castillo straight up certainly, but no way do they throw in Donovan.

[D-train]

Arenado has posted an OPS of .891, .774 and .719 OPS the past three season. He is owed $64M for his age 34-36 seasons and given that trend he is destined to average about a .670 OPS. He is massively under water. Castillo is sill going fairly strong and will only be 34 at the end of his deal.

Donavan is solid but nothing special. I think it is close to a fair deal that they would consider unless they just want to dump salary and want one of our cost controlled SPs.

[Pharmabro]

It's so weird how these trade apps say it's a good trade even though the Cardinals would laugh at us if we proposed this, money be damned. I don't think that any of us here would trade both those guys for Castillo.

I don't think They'd laugh at it. There is a lot of chatter that they would like to get out from under that Arrenado deal. Their top 2 guys in Innings pitched last year had a 5.35 and a 4.24 ERA respectively so they should definitely be looking for pitching.

Arenado for Castillo straight up certainly, but no way do they throw in Donovan.

That is a reasonable trade, for the last 2 years Nolan has been Josh freaking Rojas +10%. In 2024 Rojas was worth 2.2 BWAR, in 2023 and 2024 Nolan was worth 2.4 and 2.5 WAR. The difference is Rojas was due to be paid 4.1M and we non-tendered him vs. Nolan's 32, 27, and 15M he is getting paid with 10M covered by the Rockies. Nolan will be 34 next year and he was down to a 101 OPS+ last year with only 16 HRs. If he regresses even a little bit, he = Josh Rojas who is not worth 4 million dollars a year.

Nolan is 2 years removed from a 151 OPS+, #3 in the MVP voting stud year. last 2: 108 OPS+ in 2023, 101 OPS+ in 2024

King Felix in 2014 pitched 236 innings of 170 ERA+ ball to finish #2 in C.Y. voting. The next two years he would go 108 ERA+, and 106 ERA+, after that he went 96 ERA+, --> 73---> 68
And Felix was age 28 in 2014 vs Nolan who was age 31 back in 2022.

[Pharmabro]

Arenado has posted an OPS of .891, .774 and .719 OPS the past three season. He is owed $64M for his age 34-36 seasons and given that trend he is destined to average about a .670 OPS. He is massively under water. Castillo is sill going fairly strong and will only be 34 at the end of his deal.

Donavan is solid but nothing special. I think it is close to a fair deal that they would consider unless they just want to dump salary and want one of our cost controlled SPs.

This is correct

[Bil522]

The M's are not one of the teams that Arenado would waive his no trade clause.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/ ... e_vignette