Another trade deadline plan.

[D-train]

If they were too much of pussies to not offer Teo a QO they aren't going to risk him not opting out.

[Michael K.]

If they weren't such pussies we might actually have a Division title or two and a few more playoff appearances in the last two plus decades.

Fixed it for you.

[Vogelbomb]

The Royals were also really dumb to call him up. He had 229 minor league AB's... Young has 1473.

I'm not saying Young will never be a good ball player. But he shouldn't be on this team at the moment.

I think most prospects need around 2000 minor league plate appearances. It isn't a universal rule, obviously, but I think it applies to most young players.

And how do you factor in college vs no college?

I mean there's a reason why Young has more minor league PAs than Caglianone, right? Young came into league out of hs at 18. Surely NCAA D1 PAs matter and are equivalent to what, high A? AA? What's the equivalency?

[Vogelbomb]

Also, I swear to fuck so many people are just rolling around without any abilities in thinking critically.

The morons on Twitter saying, "WELL THE MARINERS COULD HAVE JUST SIGNED BREGMAN FOR $$ 3 MONTHS AGO!!!" could be the dumbest lot of people I've ever come across.

1. He wasn't interested in signing here.
2. The M's weren't giving him that contract coming off a 4-WAR .780 OPS season.
3. His play has improved so drastically that the optics of what he'll do with that contract are clear as day: he will be opting out to sign a long-term deal after this year, making him a pure rental.
4. The only reason the M's would be interested in him is if the impression is that he is a pure rental. They're never going to be interested in $40M AAV with multiple opt outs and multiple years of deferred money.

Right? I was tearing my hair out reading that shit from Ms twitter the last couple days. These fucking guys, man. What does it take for them to comprehend that no FA bat worth a lick wants to sign in SEA?

Agree 100

[Seattle or Bust]

The Royals were also really dumb to call him up. He had 229 minor league AB's... Young has 1473.

I'm not saying Young will never be a good ball player. But he shouldn't be on this team at the moment.

I think most prospects need around 2000 minor league plate appearances. It isn't a universal rule, obviously, but I think it applies to most young players.

And how do you factor in college vs no college?

I mean there's a reason why Young has more minor league PAs than Caglianone, right? Young came into league out of hs at 18. Surely NCAA D1 PAs matter and are equivalent to what, high A? AA? What's the equivalency?

I think college ball is in the middle of rookie and A ball.

They face almost no international talent in college and the talent in college is pretty top heavy. Not to mention, hitters are using metal bats.

[GL_Storm]

The Royals were also really dumb to call him up. He had 229 minor league AB's... Young has 1473.

I'm not saying Young will never be a good ball player. But he shouldn't be on this team at the moment.

I think most prospects need around 2000 minor league plate appearances. It isn't a universal rule, obviously, but I think it applies to most young players.

And how do you factor in college vs no college?

I mean there's a reason why Young has more minor league PAs than Caglianone, right? Young came into league out of hs at 18. Surely NCAA D1 PAs matter and are equivalent to what, high A? AA? What's the equivalency?

If the guy was a good college hitter and adapts to the pro game, then sure maybe he doesn't need as much time in the minors. All of this stuff is more or less on a case by case basis. Teams have to make a judgement call on where the player is. But I think teams are under some pressure to bring these guys to the majors, especially when they have some success in the minors.

You look at a guy like Caglianone, sure he dominated AA for a third of a season and then AAA for 2 weeks, but how would that have gone if the pitchers in those leagues started getting multiple looks at the guy and figuring out the holes in his swing? KC promoted him before that could happen.

In a month or so, if they keep hitting, there's gonna be pressure to bring up Montes and/or Arroyo. You'll start hearing the blogs and YouTubers saying they've got nothing left to prove in the minors and that they can't learn to hit major league pitching in the minors. And that will start to sound perfectly reasonable. But if you take a few minutes on B-Ref and start clicking through the profiles of your more average MLB player types (not the superstars, but guys that trend closer to average), you start to see that a lot of these guys racked up quite a few minor league plate appearances before making the jump to the majors. And then most of the time there's an adjustment period in the majors as well.

I don't think there's enough appreciation for the value of repetition and experience in learning how to hit. All that time and experience in the minor leagues is building up a database in the player's brain and nervous system, teaching him all of the different ways pitchers will try to get him out. It's an adaptive process.

From what I can tell, it seems like 2,000 plate appearances is a good benchmark. It doesn't have to be a rule. Promoting a player to the majors will always be a judgement call. But hitting in the majors is pretty hard and most of the time, I think teams would be better off giving the player more time to develop, especially at AA and AAA.

[desbcoach]

Padres need a catcher, give them Garver for something and bring Ford up is a thought