GT 8-18-25 Gilbert Gottfried vs. Ranger Danger

[Michael K.]

I just don't understand. We were down by 3, with Cal, Julio coming up.

Why leave Legumina in like nothing changed? Why still mopping up when they were a 3-run homerun from tying it up?

Because they are losers imho.
Dan and co. are already planning for tomorrow's pitching.
But for me it is like throwing in the towel.
A "loser" mentality.
There are arms in this pen that qualify for "garbage time".
Sacedeo, Legumes, Vargas, ect.
We need reinforcements badly.
Why give up the game when it's still within reach???
What confidence does that instill in your bench / offense???

It's up and down the organization. They came into this season knowing they would be a fringe contender. Imagine if at the end of July, and looking to add pop at the deadline, we were ahead of the Astros instead of chasing them? Of course, this organization would have assumed we didn't need to get better and made no impact moves at the deadline, so who knows?

But this is who we are. Being just good enough is good enough. Dan probably was throwing in the towel, and I imagine that comes from above. Similar to pulling a guy at 79 Pitches so the bullpen can blow it. It'll be wash rinse and repeat after we get dumped in the WC round playing all our games on the road this year. We'll enter next year with a TON of questions marks in the lineup, the same five starting Pitchers, and holes in the middle of the bullpen. But? They will stay under some made up budget they imposed on themselves and they will still make a ton of money. Only the fans will lose. Weird.

[Michael K.]

Ended up scoring 7 runs, meaning this one is on Gilbert and Legumina. Gilbert is the most overrated pitcher in baseball. Guy has all the talent but he's a total cave-in.

Don't know what his deal is. He doesn't sulk like Kirby but just seems to lose his focus as the game progresses. Today he obviously lost it early on. Hard to fathom. Regarding Legumina, you can't blame him for sucking. They just refuse to acknowledge that he has nothing and keep trotting him out there to put games where a come-back is possible out of reach.

Before yesterday he had a 3.31 ERA a 0.98 WHIP and a 2.99 FIP.

Yep, stats indicating that he implodes. How can you allow nearly 3 and a half runs per 9 inning when your WHIP suggests that less than a baserunner reaches base per inning? You do that by Pitching four or five great innings and then completely falling apart. He's either mentally weak, or has zero stamina...or both. Yanked after 79 pitches the other night....and I don't remember seeing or reading anything about him fighting to stay in the game. That's pathetic.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

The disparity between his effectiveness the 1st time through a lineup and the 3rd time is (or was prior to yesterday) more pronounced than you would expect from a quality starting pitcher.

[Donn Beach]

The disparity between his effectiveness the 1st time through a lineup and the 3rd time is (or was prior to yesterday) more pronounced than you would expect from a quality starting pitcher.

do you have numbers for that? I am going to guess his numbers are similar to other quality pitchers

[Donn Beach]

that's impressive

Jayson Stark
@jaysonst
All 9 Phillies had a hit tonight before all 9 Mariners batted.

According to the Phillies, this was the first time in at least the last 52 seasons that all 9 Phillies starters got at hit in the first 2 innings of any game.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

The disparity between his effectiveness the 1st time through a lineup and the 3rd time is (or was prior to yesterday) more pronounced than you would expect from a quality starting pitcher.

do you have numbers for that? I am going to guess his numbers are similar to other quality pitchers

Somebody (David Gee?) posted some numbers on that. They seemed extreme but i don't have numbers for other ToR pitchers so i could be wrong on that.

[Donn Beach]

The disparity between his effectiveness the 1st time through a lineup and the 3rd time is (or was prior to yesterday) more pronounced than you would expect from a quality starting pitcher.

do you have numbers for that? I am going to guess his numbers are similar to other quality pitchers

Somebody (David Gee?) posted some numbers on that. They seemed extreme but i don't have numbers for other ToR pitchers so i could be wrong on that.

Okay, yeah, the numbers for him seem extreme but I think they are pretty typical really. If someone wanted to go get them. That's really is why starters don't tend to go deep into games in the first place. Look at the dodgers, last i looked they hadn't let a starter go more than 150 innings in a season. You pitch your starter five and then go to the bullpen. There the issue is going two innings instead of one, I think its the same sort of thing, effectiveness diminishes

[Sibelius Hindemith]

His BABip is way higher the third time through a lineup for whatever that's worth. .394 compared to .296 the 2nd time and .242 the first.

[Captain 97]

Gilbert's ERA on the road is now sitting at an even 6.00.

[DavidGee24]

Don't know what his deal is. He doesn't sulk like Kirby but just seems to lose his focus as the game progresses. Today he obviously lost it early on. Hard to fathom. Regarding Legumina, you can't blame him for sucking. They just refuse to acknowledge that he has nothing and keep trotting him out there to put games where a come-back is possible out of reach.

Before yesterday he had a 3.31 ERA a 0.98 WHIP and a 2.99 FIP.

Yep, stats indicating that he implodes. How can you allow nearly 3 and a half runs per 9 inning when your WHIP suggests that less than a baserunner reaches base per inning? You do that by Pitching four or five great innings and then completely falling apart. He's either mentally weak, or has zero stamina...or both. Yanked after 79 pitches the other night....and I don't remember seeing or reading anything about him fighting to stay in the game. That's pathetic.

In 2024 Gilbert had a WHIP of 0.889 which is the 18th best single-season WHIP in the expansion era (1961 - 2024). His ERA was 3.23.

Out of all 50 pitching seasons in the entire history of MLB in which a pitcher had a single-season WHIP of 0.900 or less, the next-highest ERA is 2.46. That is just utterly mind-boggling.