GT 8-18-25 Gilbert Gottfried vs. Ranger Danger

[DavidGee24]

The disparity between his effectiveness the 1st time through a lineup and the 3rd time is (or was prior to yesterday) more pronounced than you would expect from a quality starting pitcher.

do you have numbers for that? I am going to guess his numbers are similar to other quality pitchers

Somebody (David Gee?) posted some numbers on that. They seemed extreme but i don't have numbers for other ToR pitchers so i could be wrong on that.

They are VERY extreme. The Oriholes broadcast team posted Gilbert's opposing batting averages going up about 100 points each trip through the order. Jim Palmer was sitting there totally flabbergasted. I looked up Palmer's career splits, and from the 1st through 4th times through the order opponents' batting averages were .226/.219/.227/.256

But on the bright side, Gilbert managed to level things out quite a bit yesterday.

[GL_Storm]

If you look at the run value scores on Gilbert's pitches from last year to this year, there's been a decline in effectiveness, presumably coming from the injury. The greatest discrepancy is with his slider, which has gone from a run value of 16 last year (which is elite) to a score of -2 this year. And so over his next few starts as we head towards the end of the season and hopefully the postseason, this is something to watch for: the effectiveness of that pitch.

[Captain 97]

I did not get to see the first 4 innings due to other stuff but seeing Gilbert's stats makes me wonder if he was tipping pitches. Man do we need Walter down the stretch or what?

Interesting thought did anyone see this. Redsox using real time data to try and find tells between pitches from the dugout.

[Juliooooo]

I did not get to see the first 4 innings due to other stuff but seeing Gilbert's stats makes me wonder if he was tipping pitches. Man do we need Walter down the stretch or what?

Interesting thought did anyone see this. Redsox using real time data to try and find tells between pitches from the dugout.

He shaves his beard before a fastball?

[Donn Beach]

I did not get to see the first 4 innings due to other stuff but seeing Gilbert's stats makes me wonder if he was tipping pitches. Man do we need Walter down the stretch or what?

Interesting thought did anyone see this. Redsox using real time data to try and find tells between pitches from the dugout.

He shaves his beard before a fastball?

I'd say that's a definite tell lol

[Donn Beach]

so here is the league in general three times through the lineup...

PA#1: 91 OPS+

PA#2: 101 OPS+

PA#3: 117 OPS+