Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by D-train » Sun Nov 16, 2025 7:04 pm

bhofferb wrote:
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Donn Beach wrote:
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D-train wrote:
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Its not the eyes it is the reflexes. That is what the Ackley and JK groupies never got.
It's interesting, I think I'd vote eyes. Its more about anticipating where the ball will be coming out of the pitchers hand rather than reacting to it being thrown. It's more predicting rather than reacting

https://www.goodeyes.com/bdp-news/scien ... -fastball/
Didn’t we just spend all season complaining about Julio “predicting?
Yeah that is crazy. Good hitters see and react. Bad hitters predict/guess.
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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Nov 16, 2025 8:01 pm

D-train wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 7:04 pm
bhofferb wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 7:02 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 3:25 am


It's interesting, I think I'd vote eyes. Its more about anticipating where the ball will be coming out of the pitchers hand rather than reacting to it being thrown. It's more predicting rather than reacting

https://www.goodeyes.com/bdp-news/scien ... -fastball/
Didn’t we just spend all season complaining about Julio “predicting?
Yeah that is crazy. Good hitters see and react. Bad hitters predict/guess.
I mean, you think that's the issue with Murakami?

I think Julio genuinely struggles to pick up the slider and there's really no adjusting to that until you can learn to pick up spin and understand situations where the pitch might come.

Murakami just seems like he's used to seeing 90-93 all the time and struggles when velo gets up there. I don't see how that's much different than a MLB player hitting 94-96 but struggling when a FB gets to 98-100 b/c it's atypical.

I think his reaction timing will adjust to the MLB norm with experience and he may struggle at very high velo like most others do.

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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by D-train » Sun Nov 16, 2025 8:44 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 8:01 pm
D-train wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 7:04 pm
bhofferb wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 7:02 pm


Didn’t we just spend all season complaining about Julio “predicting?
Yeah that is crazy. Good hitters see and react. Bad hitters predict/guess.
I mean, you think that's the issue with Murakami?

I think Julio genuinely struggles to pick up the slider and there's really no adjusting to that until you can learn to pick up spin and understand situations where the pitch might come.

Murakami just seems like he's used to seeing 90-93 all the time and struggles when velo gets up there. I don't see how that's much different than a MLB player hitting 94-96 but struggling when a FB gets to 98-100 b/c it's atypical.

I think his reaction timing will adjust to the MLB norm with experience and he may struggle at very high velo like most others do.
Maybe but that is quite a $100M + bet.
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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by Seattle or Bust » Mon Nov 17, 2025 12:16 am

D-train wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 8:44 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 8:01 pm
D-train wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 7:04 pm


Yeah that is crazy. Good hitters see and react. Bad hitters predict/guess.
I mean, you think that's the issue with Murakami?

I think Julio genuinely struggles to pick up the slider and there's really no adjusting to that until you can learn to pick up spin and understand situations where the pitch might come.

Murakami just seems like he's used to seeing 90-93 all the time and struggles when velo gets up there. I don't see how that's much different than a MLB player hitting 94-96 but struggling when a FB gets to 98-100 b/c it's atypical.

I think his reaction timing will adjust to the MLB norm with experience and he may struggle at very high velo like most others do.
Maybe but that is quite a $100M + bet.
Teams have bet on well worse.

You know what kept the M's from getting the World Series?

The fact that they signed Mitch fucking Garver to be their 1B/DH combo because they are risk averse. Look what that got them.

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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by Southpaw773 » Mon Nov 17, 2025 1:36 am

News is bubbling of a 5 year deal for Nayls with the Ms

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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by tehmc » Mon Nov 17, 2025 1:41 am

Southpaw773 wrote:
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News is bubbling of a 5 year deal for Nayls with the Ms
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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by Southpaw773 » Mon Nov 17, 2025 2:43 am

Now they just traded Gough to the Dodgers for Robinson Ortiz. Hot stove already popping in Seattle.

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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Nov 17, 2025 1:03 pm

D-train wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 7:04 pm
bhofferb wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 7:02 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 3:25 am


It's interesting, I think I'd vote eyes. Its more about anticipating where the ball will be coming out of the pitchers hand rather than reacting to it being thrown. It's more predicting rather than reacting

https://www.goodeyes.com/bdp-news/scien ... -fastball/
Didn’t we just spend all season complaining about Julio “predicting?
Yeah that is crazy. Good hitters see and react. Bad hitters predict/guess.
Call it anticipation instead of prediction. There's a part of the brain that's processing visual information as the pitch is thrown to enable a decision to swing or not

AI
Can a hitter react to a fastball after it's been thrown
A hitter cannot react to a fastball solely after it has been thrown using conscious, deliberate thought. The time is too short. Elite hitters rely heavily on anticipation, pitch recognition, and learned, instinctual reactions developed through countless hours of practice.

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Re: Mariners Off Season Plan 2.0

Post by bhofferb » Tue Nov 18, 2025 9:20 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 8:01 pm
D-train wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 7:04 pm
bhofferb wrote:
Sun Nov 16, 2025 7:02 pm


Didn’t we just spend all season complaining about Julio “predicting?
Yeah that is crazy. Good hitters see and react. Bad hitters predict/guess.
I mean, you think that's the issue with Murakami?

I think Julio genuinely struggles to pick up the slider and there's really no adjusting to that until you can learn to pick up spin and understand situations where the pitch might come.

Murakami just seems like he's used to seeing 90-93 all the time and struggles when velo gets up there. I don't see how that's much different than a MLB player hitting 94-96 but struggling when a FB gets to 98-100 b/c it's atypical.

I think his reaction timing will adjust to the MLB norm with experience and he may struggle at very high velo like most others do.
And if he doesn’t adjust? We are a contending team and should be filling the lineup with proven major league talent. Period

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