How do we improve the club?

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Re: How do we improve the club?

Post by Pharmabro » Sun Jul 13, 2025 2:34 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 1:37 am
Pharmabro wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 1:19 am
Part 1
The offense:
Player Position OPS+ WAR/162 pace

1. JP* SS 131 OPS+ 5.81WAR/162

2. Julio CF 107 OPS+ 5.86 WAR/162

3. Cal# C 191 OPS+ 8.8 WAR/162

4.Randy LF 135 OPS+ 5.74 WAR/162

5. Canzone* RF 171 OPS+ 6.15WAR/162 pace

6. Polanco# DH 122 OPS+ 2.13 WAR/162

7.Raley* 1B 112OPS+ 2.7 WAR/162 pace

8. Ben 3B 83 OPS+ 2.93WAR/162

9. Young* 2B 81 OPS+ 2.86/162 pace



Those bottom 4 could be improved upon but you really got to bring in a minor star to be a true upgrade over any of them. We know that typically they have been platooned with Raley/Solano and Canzone/Moore but the platoon mates are in the 90-95 OPS+ and got there the reverses Solano was ice cold and Moore had a .850 OPS in his 1st 50 games this season :shock:

Bench:
C Garver 91 OPS+
SU Moore 94 OPS+ ( 1 WAR in 186 PAs so far)
INF Solano 90 OPS+
Util Mastro 82 OPS+
Maybe Robles? 83 OPS+
So long as a guy is positive WAR its hard to make a case to replace him. Unless you bring in an absolute star the possible improvement is going to incremental

That was kinda my point. Even the 4 that are at the bottom of the line-up are paced to be above 2-WAR and that is a starter. But, we need to win some more games. I don’t think they trade for a starter but they really could.

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Re: How do we improve the club?

Post by Pharmabro » Sun Jul 13, 2025 2:36 am

GL_Storm wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 2:05 am
Do you mean this season or in general for next season and beyond?
I was thinking for this season but if you wanted to look longer term you could do that as well.

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Re: How do we improve the club?

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Jul 13, 2025 3:06 am

Well Pharma, I have to give you credit... despite the majority being my ideas already lol.

Geno is obvious. He hit 2 more homers today in LAA and is up to 31 on the season. The trade needs to happen.

As much as I'd love Abrams, I think the M's have a boner for Cole Young. I'd like to trade for Willi Castro as insurance and sadly kiss Moore goodbye.

Coulombe would be perfect. Would cost you a pretty penny but he's what the M's need.

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Re: How do we improve the club?

Post by Juliooooo » Sun Jul 13, 2025 3:09 am

Trade for Geno. We know he’ll do well in the locker room, and he’d be a huge improvement offensively at 3B. He won’t cost a lot either
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Re: How do we improve the club?

Post by Vogelbomb » Sun Jul 13, 2025 4:36 am

Pharmabro wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 2:30 am
Part 4:

The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse!

The four players that will put the M’s into, and winning the World Series:

1. Diamondbacks: Eugenio S 5.5M, RHP Merril Kelly 4.6M (10.1M total) Seattle sends Ryan Sloan 14.2M, Morales 2.1M, and Tyler Locklear 2.3M 18.6M total

2. Mariners get CJ Abrams SS 50.8M 138 OPS+, for Nat’s get Colt Emerson 46.5M, Bryce Miller 13.1M (59.6M)

3. Mariners get Danny Coulombe* 0.61 ERA in 35 games this year and a 126 ERA+ (1.2M trade calc.) Twins get #22 prospect Brock Moore and his 65 grade FB and 2 PTNL in the 15-30 ranked prospects. There are a ton of good lefty guys with good performance Chapman is probably the best available? On the market.

This four players really complete this team in a way that gives them no weaknesses. Danny gives them another good lefty and gives them 8 strong options in the pen. CJ is another stud and probably pushes JP to 2B at some point. Geno is a short timer but is a second 140 OPS+ bat. Finally, I imagine Gilbert and Kirby are going to be back to normal at some point and Evan’s giving you 97 ERA+ doesn’t hurt you but adding a 124 ERA+ down the stretch?

Fuck, I would do all of those moves. You might not need to give up Sloan in that first deal for a couple of rentals, but even still...
Not sure what you do with JP if you get Abrams, but fuck it, lets go

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Re: How do we improve the club?

Post by GL_Storm » Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:56 am

For this year, the simplest and most straightforward improvement to the team would be to trade for two good, legitimately plus relievers that push the other guys farther down the depth chart. We want Vargas as the #6 reliever, not the #4.

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Re: How do we improve the club?

Post by Donn Beach » Sun Jul 13, 2025 7:19 am

GL_Storm wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:56 am
For this year, the simplest and most straightforward improvement to the team would be to trade for two good, legitimately plus relievers that push the other guys farther down the depth chart. We want Vargas as the #6 reliever, not the #4.
Yeah, lengthen the BP, even just one guy, say Chapman, . You reduce a game to five or six innings. Combine that with their rotation, not bad

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Re: How do we improve the club?

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Jul 13, 2025 7:34 am

GL_Storm wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:56 am
For this year, the simplest and most straightforward improvement to the team would be to trade for two good, legitimately plus relievers that push the other guys farther down the depth chart. We want Vargas as the #6 reliever, not the #4.
Trading for Geno seems pretty simple to me.

Should cost you a couple 10-30 prospects.

You can easily option Williamson.

GG.

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Re: How do we improve the club?

Post by Donn Beach » Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:09 am

So here you probably negotiationing with Sloan, Morales and Garcia, that's where the pitching prospects begin, all three for Suarez and Naydor

https://www.si.com/onsi/fantasy/mlb/eug ... e-deadline

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Re: How do we improve the club?

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Jul 13, 2025 3:46 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:09 am
So here you probably negotiationing with Sloan, Morales and Garcia, that's where the pitching prospects begin, all three for Suarez and Naydor

https://www.si.com/onsi/fantasy/mlb/eug ... e-deadline
Because Dave Holcomb, a beat writer for Athlon covering Atlanta sports teams who writes novels about James Bond, says so?

His argument is, "the Mariners pitching staff is good, so they can probably give up pitching prospects."

Why do you agree with that?

And then there's this gem:

"Seattle is a tougher place to hit home runs than Arizona. But it's hard to argue Suárez is going to see a big dip in production given what Cal Raleigh has done in Seattle this season."

Wtf does that mean? How does what Cal Raleigh has done qualify how Geno will hit in a Seattle uniform?

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