Dilly is a Ranger?

[D-train]

I guess I just long for a time when the Mendoza line wasn't "average".

Bill Buckner hit .289 but was just an average hitter with a 100 OPS+ because he hardly walked and had minimal power and only put up 15 WAR in 22 seasons because he sucked at everything else. There is more important things in life than a little bit of money and there is more to assessing a baseball player than batting average.

[DavidGee24]

I guess I just long for a time when the Mendoza line wasn't "average".

Bill Buckner hit .289 but was just an average hitter with a 100 OPS+ because he hardly walked and had minimal power and only put up 15 WAR in 22 seasons because he sucked at everything else. There is more important things in life than a little bit of money and there is more to assessing a baseball player than batting average.

Poor Buckner, honked the '86 Series AND probably has the most overrated baseball career.

Fun fact: I saw Mendoza hit a home run in person. He popped one up down the RF line, Sixto Lezcano barreled in and BOING, it bounced over his head and Mendoza circled the bases. Too bad it wasn't the only home run he ever hit.

[Michael K.]

I guess I just long for a time when the Mendoza line wasn't "average".

Bill Buckner hit .289 but was just an average hitter with a 100 OPS+ because he hardly walked and had minimal power and only put up 15 WAR in 22 seasons because he sucked at everything else. There is more important things in life than a little bit of money and there is more to assessing a baseball player than batting average.

Yep, Bill Buckner is the baseball comp to Dilly? Come on. WAR is so skewed to defense it straight stupid. You need a hit to win the game, you pinch hitting Dilly for Billy?

Sorry, but it's still the game of baseball, and you need to generate runs. Some guy like Dilly that plays multiple defensive positions but hits .200 isnt' saving as many runs defensively as the guy who is an average defender but hits .280. It's ridiculous. Everyone is so consumed with advanced stats nerd shit that they forget to actually watch a game.

[Michael K.]

Buckner struck out 453 times....in his fucking career! That is over 9,397 at bats. Dilly has stuck out 577 times, in just 1,626 at bats. That's right...he has 7,771 FEWER at bats, and has struck out 124 MORE times.

Bucker had 2,715 hits, 174 HRs and 498 2Bs over those at bats. That is a hit 29% of at bats, a HR 6.5% of at bats and a 2B 18%.
Dilly has a hit every 21% of at bats, a HR every 3.8% of at bats and a 2B every 4% of at bats.

Yeah, I'm sure the fact that Dilly can stand in CF and SS and pinch run in the 9th makes up for the difference there. Not. WAR is fucking dumb if it puts those two players in the same fucking sentence.

[Michael K.]

I never said batting average is where it is all at....but for Christ's Sake!

Buckner hit .289, hit over .300 7 times and lead the league in hitting once. He had double digit HRs 11 times, hit over 30 doubles 8 times, including leading the league once and having two other seasons of 46 and 41 2Bs. Again, there is ZERO comparison for the two players, and if Billie Buckner is over rated and Dillon Fucking Moore is a close comp to him in WAR? Then again, fuck WAR, it's a stupid made up stat. Buckner hit 46 doubles in 1985 and followed that up with 39 in 1986. He began his damn career in 1969!

If I didn't like WAR before? Comping Moore and Buckner based on WAR makes me like it even less. Grab a glove and stand at SS Dilly, it'll bring your WAR up little buddy. How stupid.

[DanielVogelbach]

Good point, he hit .178 at home with a .623 OPS, just sickeningly awful production compared to .228 on the road with a .752 OPS. Surprising that a guy like him after 5 years wouldn't hit free agency, but he obviously loved Seattle.

Players are under club control for 6 years after their first call up. Dylan signed a 4 year deal after two years to avoid arbitration and give up ONE YEAR of free agency. Instead of becoming a FA in 2025, he will be an FA in 2026. Players do this for the security of getting some immediate cash. Teams do it to get some of those FA years on the cheap.

I actually think this aspect of roster management is misunderstood by a lot of people. This is why the prospects are so important. When one of them hits, you are in a position to offer them a contract when they are in year 2 and no other team can do that. For the team in control of the player, they c an offer an extension. They can negotiate in year 1 for Julio, year 2 for Dylan, etc. Other teams have to wait for FA. Players don't want to risk injury. They want to lock up a few million. So, you can easily get a player on the cheap til they are like 28 years old basically right at their peak. This is why you don't have to spend tons of money to win a championship. This is why teams can be outside the top 10 in payroll and win the trophy. It would be impossible otherwise in a league without a salary cap.

[D-train]

I guess I just long for a time when the Mendoza line wasn't "average".

Bill Buckner hit .289 but was just an average hitter with a 100 OPS+ because he hardly walked and had minimal power and only put up 15 WAR in 22 seasons because he sucked at everything else. There is more important things in life than a little bit of money and there is more to assessing a baseball player than batting average.

Yep, Bill Buckner is the baseball comp to Dilly? Come on. WAR is so skewed to defense it straight stupid. You need a hit to win the game, you pinch hitting Dilly for Billy?

Sorry, but it's still the game of baseball, and you need to generate runs. Some guy like Dilly that plays multiple defensive positions but hits .200 isnt' saving as many runs defensively as the guy who is an average defender but hits .280. It's ridiculous. Everyone is so consumed with advanced stats nerd shit that they forget to actually watch a game.

Totally ignoring defense and the positions they played which is dumb, Buckner had a career OPS+ of 100. Dylan finished with 97 and was at 100 before his diabolical slump. They were basically equally productive hitters despite Dylan's terrible BA because he had a far higher walk and HR rate.

Dylan 10.6% walk rate and 3.2% HR Rate.

Buckner 4.5% walk rate and 1.7% HR rate.

Buckner had twice the WAR: 15 vs. 7 but in over 5x the PAs 10,037 vs.1,892.

[Donn Beach]

It's easy now to simulate a guys season playing in a different city, it be interesting to see what Moore might have looked like playing for the Reds or whatever

[D-train]

Good point, he hit .178 at home with a .623 OPS, just sickeningly awful production compared to .228 on the road with a .752 OPS. Surprising that a guy like him after 5 years wouldn't hit free agency, but he obviously loved Seattle.

Players are under club control for 6 years after their first call up. Dylan signed a 4 year deal after two years to avoid arbitration and give up ONE YEAR of free agency. Instead of becoming a FA in 2025, he will be an FA in 2026. Players do this for the security of getting some immediate cash. Teams do it to get some of those FA years on the cheap.

I actually think this aspect of roster management is misunderstood by a lot of people. This is why the prospects are so important. When one of them hits, you are in a position to offer them a contract when they are in year 2 and no other team can do that. For the team in control of the player, they c an offer an extension. They can negotiate in year 1 for Julio, year 2 for Dylan, etc. Other teams have to wait for FA. Players don't want to risk injury. They want to lock up a few million. So, you can easily get a player on the cheap til they are like 28 years old basically right at their peak. This is why you don't have to spend tons of money to win a championship. This is why teams can be outside the top 10 in payroll and win the trophy. It would be impossible otherwise in a league without a salary cap.

I am sure you are right about casual fans having no idea about this just like I didn't when I was a kid. But explaining it on a Baseball Forum is like explaining how Batting average is calculated. Everyone here is well aware of team control.

[Donn Beach]

Good point, he hit .178 at home with a .623 OPS, just sickeningly awful production compared to .228 on the road with a .752 OPS. Surprising that a guy like him after 5 years wouldn't hit free agency, but he obviously loved Seattle.

Players are under club control for 6 years after their first call up. Dylan signed a 4 year deal after two years to avoid arbitration and give up ONE YEAR of free agency. Instead of becoming a FA in 2025, he will be an FA in 2026. Players do this for the security of getting some immediate cash. Teams do it to get some of those FA years on the cheap.

I actually think this aspect of roster management is misunderstood by a lot of people. This is why the prospects are so important. When one of them hits, you are in a position to offer them a contract when they are in year 2 and no other team can do that. For the team in control of the player, they c an offer an extension. They can negotiate in year 1 for Julio, year 2 for Dylan, etc. Other teams have to wait for FA. Players don't want to risk injury. They want to lock up a few million. So, you can easily get a player on the cheap til they are like 28 years old basically right at their peak. This is why you don't have to spend tons of money to win a championship. This is why teams can be outside the top 10 in payroll and win the trophy. It would be impossible otherwise in a league without a salary cap.

I am sure you are right about casual fans having no idea about this just like I didn't when I was a kid. But explaining it on a Baseball Forum is like explaining how Batting average is calculated. Everyone here is well aware of team control.

I was just thinking about this post, realize what the Brewers are doing? Seattle on steroids, the number one team in MLB on a $108.8 mil budget