The latest from Adam Jude: They are just going to run it back

[Sexymarinersfan]

Sadly its exactly what we all thought. Well Young , Emerson , and Williamson better deliver or this will be a disappointing season. Not surprising - that old Fuck Stanton has no intention of winning a WS.

I am not shocked. But who is the one or 2 BP guys? Tyler Rogers has been a dominant change of pace submariner 148 ERA+ career. But mid 80’s FB. I have posited on other threads that combo of age and FB velocity could hold his market down to where we could pay full MLBTR guesstimate and still be able to trade for another. Now Rogers is not Duran-Munoz level but he would be projected top join the group of( Brash 154, Buzzardo 150, and Speier 145) level of quality.

I really don’t see how they could be limited to either Polo or Donavan? That is just dumb. Marte has emerged as the best 2B in baseball over the past couple of seasons. But yes I am OK with going into to next season with one of 2B/3B being assigned to one of: (Bliss, Colt, Ben, Young, Rivas).

On paper if: you get good performance from Randy and JRod which should be expected if not injured then you have 3 solid enough options at RF 1 of ( Robles, Dom, and Luke) is a pretty good bet.


DH is probably mainly Luke but he would be the 1’ BU at OF, and 1B. Cal should probably be projected for 30+/- there as well. I’d like to see Harry taking a lot of reps at 3B. I saw him play last year and he has quick reaction and a big arm and the range to play it.

And I am a little supportive of going into the season with a plane of upgrading weak areas at the deadline. I mean 2B has a big field of competition.
Rivas played to a 113 OPS+ in 48 games for you last year
Young Top 100 he was top 3 on most lists at 1 point
Colt #1 on most M’s lists now top 100
Bliss was a 2nd Rd pick He had a 101 OPS+ for you in 2024 @ MLB, And in 2023 AA/AAA .304 .378 .524 .902 with 55 SB, 34 doubles, 8 triples, 23 HR inn just 128 games.

I will hold judgement based on who they get for the lineup, and who are the one to 2 adds for the BP.

The author made it sound like the list of Bullpen arms they are looking at is the 2nd Tier after the elite arms are all snatched up, whatever the heck that means. But Rogers would fit that mold. But who really knows.

[Seattle or Bust]

A continually pathetic organization.

The sign Polanco OR trade for Donovan and that being it is so beyond fucking pathetic.

It's obvious that forever moving forward they will be hoping to be in it at the AS break and acquire rentals to augment the roster. They never hope to dominant. Just good enough to sell seats.

PATHETIC.

I said the same thing last offseason, and look what they did. Have patience young Padawan. Moves during the season can be made O Ye of Little Faith.

What did they do?

I hope there wasn't anyone here who actually thought they'd have a chance to actually win the WS.

Per usual, they were multiple pieces short. Could have had Duran, didn't pull the trigger. Garver was getting meaningful AB's at DH.

It's decisions like "they'd like to add one more bat" to a roster that needs 3 of them that will always see them fall short.

[Sexymarinersfan]

A continually pathetic organization.

The sign Polanco OR trade for Donovan and that being it is so beyond fucking pathetic.

It's obvious that forever moving forward they will be hoping to be in it at the AS break and acquire rentals to augment the roster. They never hope to dominant. Just good enough to sell seats.

PATHETIC.

I said the same thing last offseason, and look what they did. Have patience young Padawan. Moves during the season can be made O Ye of Little Faith.

What did they do?

I hope there wasn't anyone here who actually thought they'd have a chance to actually win the WS.

Per usual, they were multiple pieces short. Could have had Duran, didn't pull the trigger. Garver was getting meaningful AB's at DH.

It's decisions like "they'd like to add one more bat" to a roster that needs 3 of them that will always see them fall short.

"What did they do?"

I think its more than obvious what they did. However I don't think anyone thought that they were close, no, at the time. But I do think that they were one piece shy l. And I'm talking about the Duran deal. They needed 8 outs to move onto the World Series.

The Phillies made a last second effort to swoop in and steal Johan by sending Top pitching Prospect Mick Abel, who i happened to love in the Draft. I don't think for a second that the M's were willing to part with Sloan and get into a bidding war. Thus the M's find themselves looking for 2 quality relievers this offseason.

I also believe that they would like to upgrade their lineup as there were just too many strikeouts and not enough contact. But everything does not need to happen right away as evidenced by last season's trade deadline acquisitions. The organization is young enough with enough foundational core pieces combined with a salary budget similar to next year's.

I expect good things this year. I definitely feel like mgmt thinks we are really close and will do whatever necessary to finally get us over the hump.

[Seattle or Bust]

I said the same thing last offseason, and look what they did. Have patience young Padawan. Moves during the season can be made O Ye of Little Faith.

What did they do?

I hope there wasn't anyone here who actually thought they'd have a chance to actually win the WS.

Per usual, they were multiple pieces short. Could have had Duran, didn't pull the trigger. Garver was getting meaningful AB's at DH.

It's decisions like "they'd like to add one more bat" to a roster that needs 3 of them that will always see them fall short.

"What did they do?"

I think its more than obvious what they did. However I don't think anyone thought that they were close, no, at the time. But I do think that they were one piece shy l. And I'm talking about the Duran deal. They needed 8 outs to move onto the World Series.

The Phillies made a last second effort to swoop in and steal Johan by sending Top pitching Prospect Mick Abel, who i happened to love in the Draft. I don't think for a second that the M's were willing to part with Sloan and get into a bidding war. Thus the M's find themselves looking for 2 quality relievers this offseason.

I also believe that they would like to upgrade their lineup as there were just too many strikeouts and not enough contact. But everything does not need to happen right away as evidenced by last season's trade deadline acquisitions. The organization is young enough with enough foundational core pieces combined with a salary budget similar to next year's.

I expect good things this year. I definitely feel like mgmt thinks we are really close and will do whatever necessary to finally get us over the hump.

Mick Abel is akin to Emerson Hancock.

He WAS* a top pitching prospect who fell off of every top 100 list cause he kept getting shelled at every level.

Thus far he's allowed 27 earned runs in 39 innings... good for a 6.23 ERA.

If THAT is what moved the needle and the M's couldn't beat it... then we're always cooked when it comes to adding premium talent.

[D-train]

Sadly its exactly what we all thought. Well Young , Emerson , and Williamson better deliver or this will be a disappointing season. Not surprising - that old Fuck Stanton has no intention of winning a WS.

I am not shocked. But who is the one or 2 BP guys? Tyler Rogers has been a dominant change of pace submariner 148 ERA+ career. But mid 80’s FB. I have posited on other threads that combo of age and FB velocity could hold his market down to where we could pay full MLBTR guesstimate and still be able to trade for another. Now Rogers is not Duran-Munoz level but he would be projected top join the group of( Brash 154, Buzzardo 150, and Speier 145) level of quality.

I really don’t see how they could be limited to either Polo or Donavan? That is just dumb. Marte has emerged as the best 2B in baseball over the past couple of seasons. But yes I am OK with going into to next season with one of 2B/3B being assigned to one of: (Bliss, Colt, Ben, Young, Rivas).

On paper if: you get good performance from Randy and JRod which should be expected if not injured then you have 3 solid enough options at RF 1 of ( Robles, Dom, and Luke) is a pretty good bet.


DH is probably mainly Luke but he would be the 1’ BU at OF, and 1B. Cal should probably be projected for 30+/- there as well. I’d like to see Harry taking a lot of reps at 3B. I saw him play last year and he has quick reaction and a big arm and the range to play it.

And I am a little supportive of going into the season with a plane of upgrading weak areas at the deadline. I mean 2B has a big field of competition.
Rivas played to a 113 OPS+ in 48 games for you last year
Young Top 100 he was top 3 on most lists at 1 point
Colt #1 on most M’s lists now top 100
Bliss was a 2nd Rd pick He had a 101 OPS+ for you in 2024 @ MLB, And in 2023 AA/AAA .304 .378 .524 .902 with 55 SB, 34 doubles, 8 triples, 23 HR inn just 128 games.

I will hold judgement based on who they get for the lineup, and who are the one to 2 adds for the BP.

So at 3B in a season that the goal is a WS Title, go with a guy who probably hasn't been an INFer since he played it in a backyard wiffle ball game when he was in 5th grade. You really have to be trolling at this point. lol

[D-train]

Mike Vorel Calls them out:

By Mike Vorel
Seattle Times columnist
Aggressiveness is expensive.

But comfort may be more costly.

After the Mariners made MLB’s first offseason splash, bringing back first baseman Josh Naylor on a five-year deal worth $92.5 million, president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto admitted on Nov. 18:

“We behaved in a way that’s a little different than we would normally behave. We would typically survey a market (and ask): ‘Where do we think he fits in in the grander scope?’ On this one, we just knew we wanted him back, so we were willing to do something uncomfortable very quickly.”

That word — comfort — encapsulates Seattle’s often frustrating offseason approach.

How often have the Mariners been willing to behave uncomfortably?

What has comfort ever afforded this 49-year-old franchise?

Certainly, Dipoto and Co. deserve credit for re-signing Naylor, a monumental move to fill the organization’s most glaring hole. They also deserve credit for buying big at the trade deadline — acquiring Naylor, Eugenio Suárez, Randy Arozarena and Luis Castillo in recent seasons. This core has been built on their ability to evaluate, draft and develop pitchers and young players such as Cal Raleigh and Julio Rodríguez as well. When you consider that core, plus one of baseball’s best farm systems, Seattle is set up to contend for seasons to come.

But offering a fifth year for Naylor was both critical and uncomfortable.

With the Winter Meetings starting Sunday, why stop now?

It would be uncomfortable to drop a bag for Alex Bregman or Bo Bichette, two of baseball’s best free agents, both of whom would give Seattle the American League’s most lethal lineup. It would be uncomfortable to trade for a single season of Tigers ace Tarik Skubal, when doing so would likely cost three of their Top 10 prospects. It would be uncomfortable to land a legitimate high-leverage reliever to complement Andrés Muñoz, Matt Brash and Co. It would be uncomfortable to make the kind of move the Mariners never make.

It would be uncomfortable to do any one of those things.

It would also be an exciting, unmistakable statement of intent. It would be a stake that Seattle drives into the dirt, declaring itself a World Series frontrunner. It would be a reward for Mariners fans who have paid and waited and pined for this moment, this decisiveness, for decades. It would sell tickets, drive attention and imbue belief. It would signal that the ALCS is no longer enough, that this city deserves a pennant and a parade.

It would require Mariners managing partner John Stanton to become uncomfortable, too.

On the heels of a historic season, with a record-setting catcher and an engaged fan base, what better time to double down — to be aggressive? To take a risky, expensive World Series swing?



Of course, the Mariners won’t do it.

But I wish they would.

Instead, they’ll follow a more familiar, prudent path. They’ll run from trades requiring premier prospects, refusing to risk a decade of possible playoff runs. They’ll decline to expand their budget; you’ve seen it all before. They’ll hope a healthy starting rotation can reclaim its caliber. They’ll re-sign Jorge Polanco or trade for someone like Cardinals utility man Brendan Donovan. They’ll add a mid-tier reliever or two, and wager that Dominic Canzone and Victor Robles can combine to be a right-field force. They’ll afford opportunities to Cole Young, Colt Emerson and Ben Williamson. They’ll wait for the trade deadline and hope it’s all enough.

They’ll choose sustainability over an all-in alternative.

They might even win a World Series.

I’m not here to tell you that plan won’t work.

“We said it almost immediately after the season ended: the goal was to bring the group back in as complete a way as we could,” Dipoto said after signing Naylor. “We might not be able to do that entirely. But this is piece No. 1. We’d still like to add to our bullpen. We’d like to add that one more arm to the mix. And there’s always something out there we’ll stumble upon that is usually pretty interesting.

“We’re open to doing all those things because we want to keep getting better. We don’t want to fall eight [outs in Game 7 of the ALCS] short the next time.”

The problem with running it back? You don’t get better by standing still. Running back a roster that fell short of the World Series won’t necessarily deliver a different result.

P.T. Barnum — the showman and businessman of “Barnum & Bailey Circus” fame — is often attributed with the aphorism: “Comfort is the enemy of progress.”

It’s certainly possible that the prudent path leads to progress, too. It’s possible that the Mariners don’t have to puncture their future to propel their present. It’s possible that Raleigh keeps raking, Rodríguez remains an All-Star staple, incremental moves make big impacts and the rotation rebounds. It’s possible that internal improvement from ascending players such as Young, Emerson and Williamson pay big dividends.

Or, that the Mariners finish eight outs short — and one move away.

Consider this a plea to prove me wrong, to take the kind of swing we would never expect.

Who cares about comfort? There’s a World Series to be won.

[D-train]

A continually pathetic organization.

The sign Polanco OR trade for Donovan and that being it is so beyond fucking pathetic.

It's obvious that forever moving forward they will be hoping to be in it at the AS break and acquire rentals to augment the roster. They never hope to dominant. Just good enough to sell seats.

PATHETIC.

I said the same thing last offseason, and look what they did. Have patience young Padawan. Moves during the season can be made O Ye of Little Faith.

Look what they didn't do. Didn't make the WS. Could have easily traded for Naylor last off season and had a full year of him instead of two months of him.