The slightly too early trade deadline thread

[Donn Beach]

You don't think Teo was an above average hitter when they signed him? The guy has won a pair of silver sluggers. I was pretty happy with that signing.

[Juliooooo]

It was a lateral move after losing Haniger. That I was fine with, but they had a giant hole a LF and DH and said “who gives a fuck, let’s let a bunch of guys that historically hit about .200 take those spots.” Fortunately for them Kelenic figured it out, but they could have easily found a few more players that’s can hit and didn’t.

[ddraig]

My only question for the organizatin this season is, "What person decided the team didn't need more offensive help?" OK, I've got a couple more. First, why is that person still with the organization? Next, WTF is Kolten Wong STILL on this team?

[Juliooooo]

Here’s a question for you Donn. Do you really, honestly think the mariners did enough in the off-season out last trade deadline to improve their offense? Did it not need improving? I don’t see how it’s even a debate.

[Pharmabro]

It was a lateral move after losing Haniger. That I was fine with, but they had a giant hole a LF and DH and said “who gives a fuck, let’s let a bunch of guys that historically hit about .200 take those spots.” Fortunately for them Kelenic figured it out, but they could have easily found a few more players that’s can hit and didn’t.

In fairness Haniger was good when healthy but he has became the Paxton of position players.

[Juliooooo]

It was a lateral move after losing Haniger. That I was fine with, but they had a giant hole a LF and DH and said “who gives a fuck, let’s let a bunch of guys that historically hit about .200 take those spots.” Fortunately for them Kelenic figured it out, but they could have easily found a few more players that’s can hit and didn’t.

In fairness Haniger was good when healthy but he has became the Paxton of position players.

They still needed to do much more.

[bpj]

The window has hardly even opened yet. Other than Marco, the guys posters are pissed about are on one year contracts. They still have plenty of talent coming through the pipeline. One can complain about them not spending in the off season but I don't see it as wasting a window.

The window opened two years- and Dipoto failed to see it. He continued sending bums like Mallex Smith and Dee Gordon out there tanking games, still trying to lose and get a better draft pick. As a result the team missed the playoffs by one game. But everyone here was cool with that because the team "wasn't ready yet".

As a follow up, last year they still didn't believe in the team and ended up light on offense and scrambling to add pitching at the deadline by trading away young talent.

This year the great covid era free agent deals were no longer available and they found themselves priced out of the market (by their own choice).

Dipoto is a bum. At best.

At worst, he's still employed by the Angels and is doing an excellent job as saboteur.

[Pharmabro]

Deadline is almost two months away but Jerry might feel the pressure and desperation to bust a move for a bat early like he did with Santana last season.

Here are some ideas:

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1758288/ ... they-need/

[Pharmabro]

Deadline is almost two months away but Jerry might feel the pressure and desperation to bust a move for a bat early like he did with Santana last season.

Here are some ideas:

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1758288/ ... they-need/

I have started making this thread a couple of times. Ohtani would make a statement of a committment to win by this organization. But as far as position players he is the only legit MVP candidate among the bunch.
The #2 bat is Chapman and he has started hot and overall has a 137 OPS+ but has a .585 OPS over the last 28 days.
#3 Lee KBO MVP OF
#4 Rhys Hoskins, Joc P., Teo, Hunter

You know signing Ohtani gives you a depth chart something like:
Ohtani
Castillo
Kirby
Ray
Gilbert
Depth
6. Miller, Marco, Woo, Hancock and if you packaged some of that depth up we could find a good hitting

2B on the trade market possible fits
(age 28)Ian Happ owed 3/60M 113 OPS+ career Cubs
age 27 Ha-Seong Kim 109 OPS+
age 26 India Reds 109 OPS+
age 29 SS Paul Dejong 125 OPS+ but really was bad for a number of years

[Pharmabro]

It was a lateral move after losing Haniger. That I was fine with, but they had a giant hole a LF and DH and said “who gives a fuck, let’s let a bunch of guys that historically hit about .200 take those spots.” Fortunately for them Kelenic figured it out, but they could have easily found a few more players that’s can hit and didn’t.

In fairness Haniger was good when healthy but he has became the Paxton of position players.

They still needed to do much more.

I disagree at least in part
2022 Geno 128 OPS+ 23=83 difference =-45
22 Julio 147 23 =106 = -41
Teo 128 vs 92 =-36
Wong 118 vs 27 -90
AJ was 33 off 2022 and 53 off his career average and -70 from 2021
even france and Cal combine for about 26 off last year's pace. No Haggerty, DMo, AJ, Lastella just those 7 guys doing what they did last year changes things pretty dramatically:

291/9 =32

We have a 93 or 94 OPS+ that would have them at a 126. Predicting 7 of your projected starters are to lose an average of 40 -something points of OPS+ and that is something you are going to correctly predict and be able to make up for it is folly.

Trea Turner has a 79 OPS+,
padres
Last year M Carpenter was a 217 OPS+ 2023 84,
Manny Machado is owed 340 million and he has a 78 OPS+
Xander had a 131 OPS+ in 22 but only a 105 this year

I mean the Padres and Mets have invested huge capitol in prospects and contracts to win a world series. The Mets have two 43 Million dollar pitchers of their 358 million dollar payroll has bought them a 98 OPS+ as a team and ERA+ is at a 93! Even big dollar Verlander has a 98 ERA+ in 6 starts. Their big name SS Lindor has a 90 OPS+.

Regress to the mean is the biggest part of the rebound we need to see for the M's to make a run. Julio, Teo, Ty, and Cal are showing at least hints that they are regressing toward baseline.
Wong is toast.