The Ed-Gar effect!

[Millikin]

I suppose my 200 posts about hating Scott Servais over the years have paid off in a nice September.

"That's baseball" will never not infuriate me.

Removing the control players have over the game they play with stupid mantras like that and calling yourself a manager... holy fuck.

I think Lloyd Mclendon loved 'that's baseball' even more than Servais.

From now on just don't hire people who say that.

[Pharmabro]

Look at the best teams in baseball and how would a Mariner team at a 129 WRC+, and a 107 ERA+ stack-up?

NYY 114 OPS+, 109 ERA+
Balt 116 OPS+ 97 ERA+
Cle 97 OPS+ 112 ERA+
LAD 117 OPS+ 101 ERA+
Phil 110 OPS+ 109 ERA+
Pilots 103 OPS+ 117 ERA+

If this team can get into the playoffs they can do some damage!

So what has been the Mariners' OPS+ with Edgar?

I don't know exactly but WRC+ is about the same as OPS+. I have never seen them be any conflicts outside of 3 points between them +/-. And from Dan's first game until now they have a 127 WRC+ which is 3rd highest in baseball during that span.

[Pharmabro]

Maybe idiot Jerry should have waited until it was too late to make the obvious move. Dehart was hitting coach for 6 SEASONS!

So what was the point of firing the manager, if hiring Edgar was the solution?

Maybe it was a package Dan would only take over with Edgar and vice-versa

[Seattle or Bust]

What's most telling is K rate.

They've dropped their K rate 6 points to 23%... which is 15th in baseball in September.

Not amazing, but certainly better.

They are also walking at the third best rate in baseball this month.

[gil]

I wonder what Edgar would have done with France had we kept him around?

Good question. Was France's decline due to injuries/aging or *fixable* mechanical and/or "mind" issues?

[Seattle or Bust]

I wonder what Edgar would have done with France had we kept him around?

Good question. Was France's decline due to injuries/aging or *fixable* mechanical and/or "mind" issues?

I think France got a wake up call that his career is in limbo. Could say the same for Victor Robles.

I think the lax environment and ra ra attitude of the management enables some players to think how they're performing is acceptable. I went to 5 or so games in the early part of the year and France was always goofing around, acting like a child pre-game. He didn't even take throwing grounders seriously to his infielders... half the time he'd lob the ball in weird places and be laughing as he was doing it. His obsession with getting the ball at the end of innings so he could throw it to the fans was also never wavering.

He was worried way too much about being fun and goofing off than playing good baseball IMO.

Robles on the other hand, was discouraged to be eccentric and to show the displays of energy that he does as a Mariner when he was with the Nats. One thing is clear about him though, he very clearly cares about performing.

[Pharmabro]

I wonder what Edgar would have done with France had we kept him around?

Good question. Was France's decline due to injuries/aging or *fixable* mechanical and/or "mind" issues?

In his all-star year he was cruising with a .900's OPS and then he had that horrible collision at 1B. He changed his swing because he tried to play through the injury.

2022 pre-collision 69 games .319 .393 .480 .873
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.230 .283 .392 .675

[Hy Feiber]

Maybe idiot Jerry should have waited until it was too late to make the obvious move. Dehart was hitting coach for 6 SEASONS!

This is the problem with the Astros having such a slow start. Even though anyone watching knew how bad the Mariners sucked, they clung to 1st place for a long time, so Servais/DeHart stuck around.

Good point.

In a year when the AL West was likely the worst ever, Ms stood out.

[Captain 97]

What's most telling is K rate.

They've dropped their K rate 6 points to 23%... which is 15th in baseball in September.

Not amazing, but certainly better.

They are also walking at the third best rate in baseball this month.

I certainly think that Edgar is helping some but you also have to consider the schedule when looking at these numbers. The only team they have played with a winning record since the coaching change is San Diego for 2 games. 5 of the 7 series in the Wilson/Martinez era have been against teams that are in the bottom half of the league in runs allowed. LAA(26), OAK(23), Tex(22), STL(19), SFG(17). LAA, Oakland and St.Louis are all in the bottom 5 in the League in striking out opposing hitters.