Corey Brock Mailbag with my comments

[bpj]

You are confusing. You say they aren't a playoff team, then show me standings to make it look like they are? Make up your mind, are they or are they not? Are they not 4 games worse than they were at the high water point of the season just a couple of weeks ago?

I'm not confusing, you're just dense. They're not a playoff team, they're a contender. Even if they made the playoffs, they have no ace, and are missing 1-2 offensive additions so they'd get bumped by better teams. The Wild Card is a one game playoff. Congratulations on chasing that though, you're a real fan. They'll be ready to go in 2022 as most of us here have expected since they bailed on 2021 before the season ever began.

Again, you keep moving the goal posts.

I haven't moved a goalpost. You're hanging your hat on a losing stretch like a clown. I said they'll have a better record than .5445 by seasons end and still believe that. We have the same record as Houston over the last 10 games and you think it's over when we have the easiest part of our schedule ahead. Not to mention now they have one fewer vacancy going into the offseason than they would have thanks to Toro (Dipoto).


Am I pissed at the organization? Yes. Is it because I think Toro sucks? No. Is it because I think Graveman is the savior of the universe? No. Is it because I think the players quite because they traded Graveman? No. Is it because I think losing Graveman makes them so emotionally frail they can't play? No Is it because of the timing of the trade, while Houston was in town? Some, but not really. Did I miss any of the strawman arguments you, DT and Julio have thrown my way to try and make it look stupid that I am upset? Desbcoach, or what ever the hell his name in? Have I missed any ridiculous reason you decided to make it your purpose to point out I am wrong, about shit I never said? Fine, I probably complained about the timing of the trade, because it again showed how tone deaf to everything this organization is. BUT, it isn't why I am mad, and it isn't why most are mad. It wasn't why John Smoltz and others in the media commented.

Talk about straw man arguments while you act like Mitch won't be here next season.

I am sick and tired of waiting for this team to be competitive. I remember as a kid we got tickets to Mariners games, and it was because Rickey Henderson and the A's were in town, or a contender with Stars were in town, not because the Mariners were any good. Would I root for them? Sure, but they didn't win very often. I watched Bruce Bochte and Al Cowens, Dave Henderson...too many to list. Guys that weren't any good, but you had to find someone to be your favorite. Not until Alvin Davis was my favorite any good. Darnel Coles blowing on a baseball was pretty much what this team was famous for.

You would go to a game because of the gimmick...free hat day, I remember getting batting gloves, shit like that. One was to get your picture taken with a player. I am a little boy, all fired up that one of the regulars might show up. I got my picture with Rick Honeycutt. A relief pitcher in the 70s. How exciting. Pretty sure he pitched that night, and gave up a dinger.

Why do I bring that up? Because I have been a fan for that long. I suffered through all those years until 1993. It looked like things would turn around the next year. Then, as the Mariners go on a run? They strike. Then, they seem to fall on their face in 1995, and we all know the rest, the magical comeback, coupled with an Angel collapse.

Again, why bring that up? because that drought from when I was a kid in the late 70s until 1995? Which seemed like an eternity? Was a shorter period of missing the playoffs than right now. So, when they go into the trade deadline and are sellers, one game back? Yep, I am pissed off.

Stop with telling me they are better now and later.

They are better now and later, it's not some secret. Everybody can see it besides you..

They are losing now, for one thing.
And, most importantly, that trade was made by this organization with zero evidence that Toro would help today. They aren't playing to win it all or nothing in 2021. This is probably the dumbest part of your argument. "Dur, Dipoto didn't even know the player he had targeted just like he did France and Haniger was even any good. Dur dur." You're an absolute assclown. They didn't care about this year. One game back? They didn't care....why try to get into the playoffs when you can gain years of control. Because the team isn't good enough to win it all unless they paid more than other teams did to acquire 2-3 game changing players. Turns out? Toro is a stud....but the idea is what pisses me off. Dipotto himself came out and asked for patience, wait until the rest of the moves. Even HE didn't think the trade would help them this year. Then he added a SP and RP, and voila, we're better, now and in the future. Sorry the idea pisses you off though bud.

When you have fans that are loyal enough to go through two playoff draughts like this? They deserve better than a FO that decides next year is more important, while one game out of the race. In the past couple of weeks I have listed off too many names to count. Young guys that were too good to trade to help a good team become great. Young kids that the organization and Root Sports force feeds us as the new face of the franchise. Young kids that never hit for more than a small stretch. It is always about the future...but only half assed. Then? They rebuild. But, the rebuild hit too early. You wanna know why? They had a good mix...it happens. Wouldn't be the first time. But, instead of capitalizing on that, they planned for the future.

This team, loaded with young kids, can't hit. I already showed you the two guys most in here want gone, THIS IS YOUR STRAWMAN ARGUMENT, IT'S B.S. Hanger is going to be here next season, stop being a bitch. and the percentage of the offense they provide. This organization is force feeding me a future with guys that don't hit and guys that haven't even played yet. You do the same, and then throw in fantasy baseball and the guys you would sign. I am going to have to tell you, in the many years of reading these forums, I have seen a lot of "we should trade for...." or "just sign....". I don't remember very many being accurate. And when they were, they flopped. Next year? Who fucking knows. But, you keep telling me throwing away what we knew is fine...because, this guys will start hitting and this guy will sign and then, poof...playoffs. Maybe, but there is no maybe about it. When he made a trade with BOTH eyes on the future? We were one game out. I'm sure the prospect haul was nothing to worry about, other teams would have just handed us Cruz, Bryant and Scherzer..

[Michael K.]

Again, you said they are not a playoff team, then showed me the playoff standings as why they are. Not sure why, but what ever.

I am not hanging my hat on shit besides the fact that I am pissed they were sellers at the deadline only a game out. You keep telling us they are better anyway, and first off, that wasn't the goal, and second off, they are 4.5 games worse in the standing than before. How is that better?

I don't act like MItch won't be here, you just can't read. I point out that half the people here want him gone. Seems assinine to me.

Everyone sees they are better now but me? So, again, if 9 games over remains the high water mark for the season, were they still better THIS YEAR? And, for the last fucking time, that isn't even what I am saying. Dipotto himself said "wait for the rest of the moves". HE MADE THE FUCKING MOVE NOT CARING IF THEY WERE BETTER THIS YEAR. THAT, MOTHERFUCKING THAT, IS WHAT UPSETS ME. Jesus H Christ, get over proving a point I am not even making.

They aren't playing to win it all or nothing in 2021. This is probably the dumbest part of your argument. "Dur, Dipoto didn't even know the player he had targeted just like he did France and Haniger was even any good. Dur dur." You're an absolute assclown.

What the fuck does that even mean? I have said he didn't think Toro would help them THIS FUCKING YEAR. What does France and Haniger have to do with that? The only time I have mentioned France is that he is one of the few young guys that can hit, and also one of two that came here and never spent time in our minor leagues. Coincidence that the guys that can't hit spent time working with our organization? Not sure. But I have no fucking clue what your point is there.

Again, I never said Haniger won't be here. I have pointed out there are multiple people in here that want him gone. How is that a strawman? Fuck dude.

And, are you saying we are signing Cruz, Bryant and Scherzer? Awesome, so that is why they gave up this year? They couldn't sign those guys if they tried to make it this year?

[bpj]

Again, you said they are not a playoff team, then showed me the playoff standings as why they are. Not sure why, but what ever.

Because you act like they've bombed their season, yet there they are, right in the hunt. A contender...

I am not hanging my hat on shit besides the fact that I am pissed they were sellers at the deadline only a game out. You keep telling us they are better anyway, and first off, that wasn't the goal, and second off, they are 4.5 games worse in the standing than before. How is that better?

Because I don't base it on the 10 games after the trade

I don't act like MItch won't be here, you just can't read. I point out that half the people here want him gone. Seems assinine to me.

And you make that the focal point of your argument. Mitch is in the lineup next year, stop acting like he's not.

Everyone sees they are better now but me? So, again, if 9 games over remains the high water mark for the season, were they still better THIS YEAR? And, for the last fucking time, that isn't even what I am saying. Dipotto himself said "wait for the rest of the moves". HE MADE THE FUCKING MOVE NOT CARING IF THEY WERE BETTER THIS YEAR. THAT, MOTHERFUCKING THAT, IS WHAT UPSETS ME. Jesus H Christ, get over proving a point I am not even making.

Boofuckinhoo you giant baby. I'll take Toro over Graveman every day of the week. They weren't winning jack in 2021 unless they sold the farm for Cruz, Bryant and Scherzer and you know it.

They aren't playing to win it all or nothing in 2021. This is probably the dumbest part of your argument. "Dur, Dipoto didn't even know the player he had targeted just like he did France and Haniger was even any good. Dur dur." You're an absolute assclown.

What the fuck does that even mean? I have said he didn't think Toro would help them THIS FUCKING YEAR. What does France and Haniger have to do with that?

Because you say Dipoto had no idea Toro would be any good. That's no different than when he traded for France and Hamiger. You're too dense to make the connection and give Dipoto credit.

The only time I have mentioned France is that he is one of the few young guys that can hit, and also one of two that came here and never spent time in our minor leagues. Coincidence that the guys that can't hit spent time working with our organization? Not sure. But I have no fucking clue what your point is there.

Again, I never said Haniger won't be here. I have pointed out there are multiple people in here that want him gone. How is that a strawman? Fuck dude.

Because then you act IN OUR DISCUSSION like Haniger isn't going to be in the lineup next year so how could our lineup possibly be better?? He is in the lineup. Straw man.

And, are you saying we are signing Cruz, Bryant and Scherzer? Awesome, so that is why they gave up this year? They couldn't sign those guys if they tried to make it this year?

No, that's what it would have taken to have a chance in the playoffs if they decided to go for it like you wanted them to. So they could trade prospects for those guys, or just keep Graveman and stand pat. Neither was going to happen.

[Michael K.]

You are impossible. You said they are not a playoff team, then to prove me wrong, showed me the playoff standings. And I am dense?

I am not basing anything off the ten days after the trade, which is now more like two weeks. I dispute your claim they are better now. How is a team that was 9 games over, losing more than they win, but better? And besides, even though you won't read this, it isn't why I was mad.

Please, for the last time, read what I type and respond to that. HB used to do that shit, make up what he thought I meant. At least he was honest about it. Again, please read this, then read it again, and before you want to talk out your ass, read it again. I don't pretend that Mitch will be gone. I mention that because MANY who post in here want him gone. I read shit all the time about "can't wait for the Julio, JK and Lewis" OF. Lewis's one month of good hitting is actually far better than either of the other two. I point that out.

So, it is WS or bust? We didn't need Scherzer, Bryant or Cruz to get to 9 over and one game back, let alone all fucking three!....but the only way to make up that game was to add three high priced All Stars. Jeez, we will be sellers at every dead line then...right?

Again, read what I type. I say there is zero chance Jerry should have expected Toro to help this year, not based on what he did in Houston. The move was made with two eyes on the future. And, as I typed over and over and OVER AGAIN, this fan base that includes me? Deserved a FO that didn't throw in the towel one game back.

Again, read about Haniger above....read, PLEASE FUCKING READ what I type. Again, you are my wife. Pissed off about shit you either thing or make up. I AM MAD THAT THEY WERE SELLERS THIS YEAR. I THINK IT IS STUPID THAT MANY IN HERE WANT HANIGER GONE...THAT THEY THINK SEAGER AND HANIGER ARE SOMEHOW PART OF THE PROBLEM ON A TEAM THAT CAN'T HIT. I don't want Haniger gone, but many others do. Read this, read it, read it, read it, please dude, read it.

So, again, it's WS or bust. I love how you throw out all these fantasy baseball scenarios about the studs we will have last year, and yet can't imagine a world were they added a bat this year. Too funny. I can't wait to read this place next year if they are two games out in late July. It will be pages and pages of shit about how they can add this guy or that guy to be great. If they don't? Well, we can't get the WS anyway, so fuck it.

[bpj]

You are impossible. You said they are not a playoff team, then to prove me wrong, showed me the playoff standings. And I am dense?

I said they're a contender but not good enough to beat the other playoff teams if they reached the playoffs unless they add an Ace/DH at minimum. You know, having to trade away prospects to chase a 1 game playoff.

I am not basing anything off the ten days after the trade, which is now more like two weeks. I dispute your claim they are better now. How is a team that was 9 games over, losing more than they win, but better? And besides, even though you won't read this, it isn't why I was mad.

I get it, you're mad because the team didn't trade for more help at the deadline. They should have just sprung for the ace and the power bat. Gone for it. Trade those prospects to chase and get knocked out in 1 game. Huzzah!

Please, for the last time, read what I type and respond to that. HB used to do that shit, make up what he thought I meant. At least he was honest about it. Again, please read this, then read it again, and before you want to talk out your ass, read it again. I don't pretend that Mitch will be gone. I mention that because MANY who post in here want him gone. I read shit all the time about "can't wait for the Julio, JK and Lewis" OF. Lewis's one month of good hitting is actually far better than either of the other two. I point that out.

You mention Seager/Haniger being 20-35% of our offense, then you act incredulous, "We're supposed to win without those two?!" Uhhh, no, Haniger isn't going anywhere at this point. Stop being a drama queen. I said nobody should be excited to see Haniger at DH instead of Cruz. He should be in the OF where he belongs, keeping the other weak bats out of the lineup.

So, it is WS or bust? We didn't need Scherzer, Bryant or Cruz to get to 9 over and one game back, let alone all fucking three!....but the only way to make up that game was to add three high priced All Stars. Jeez, we will be sellers at every dead line then...right?

You complained about other teams making big moves and were mad that our moves were Toro and Castillo. So other teams got better but you didn't think we would fall in the standings without making further moves if we kept Graveman? Which is it? Yankees added Gallo and Rizzo. We should have, what, kept Graveman and then gone after Cruz? Then call it good? That would have cost us Toro+whatever prospects we trade for Cruz, and still wasn't enough to beat teams like the Yankees and Astros when they're at full strength.

Again, read what I type. I say there is zero chance Jerry should have expected Toro to help this year, not based on what he did in Houston. The move was made with two eyes on the future. And, as I typed over and over and OVER AGAIN, this fan base that includes me? Deserved a FO that didn't throw in the towel one game back.


So, given that you said adding Toro, Anderson and Castillo was nothing, and now you're saying they didn't need multiple other moves to make the playoffs, what should they have done?

Again, read about Haniger above....read, PLEASE FUCKING READ what I type. Again, you are my wife. I'm not nearly ugly enough to be your wife. Pissed off about shit you either thing or make up. I AM MAD THAT THEY WERE SELLERS THIS YEAR. I THINK IT IS STUPID THAT MANY IN HERE WANT HANIGER GONE...THAT THEY THINK SEAGER AND HANIGER ARE SOMEHOW PART OF THE PROBLEM ON A TEAM THAT CAN'T HIT. I don't want Haniger gone, but many others do. Read this, read it, read it, read it, please dude, read it.

Yeah, you would have kept 2 months of an expiring player over 5 years of a 2B/3B, we heard you. To chase a 1 game wild card playoff spot. Then, you obviously would have traded more prospects for other improvements. GM of the year right there

So, again, it's WS or bust. I love how you throw out all these fantasy baseball scenarios about the studs we will have last year, and yet can't imagine a world were they added a bat this year. Too funny. I can't wait to read this place next year if they are two games out in late July. It will be pages and pages of shit about how they can add this guy or that guy to be great. If they don't? Well, we can't get the WS anyway, so fuck it.

As opposed to trading prospects for rentals to chase a 1 game playoff against other teams that added Rizzos and Gallos? Yes, absolutely, I can hold out until free agents are... free, in terms of prospect capital, in the offseason. Poor you, you wanted to win in 2021 before they're really ready to go for it.

[bpj]

Yeah, you weren't beating this drum at all....

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[bpj]

Nobody's discarding Mitch.

[Michael K.]

Then you aren't reading what is typed in here. Hell, you yourself said earlier "if he won't sign an extension, trade him."

But, fuck this. It doesn't matter what I say or do.