Minor League Updates

[Juliooooo]

As I've said before, many of the minor league pitchers won't make the mlb, but their success in the minors is encouraging for the state of the Mariners minor league development. Guys like Kirby, Campbell, Gilbert and Williamson are in good hands. Newsome, mcgaughen, McKinney, etc might also make a small impact as spot starters, or possibly inexpensive #5 options

[Wishhiker]

As I've said before, many of the minor league pitchers won't make the mlb, but their success in the minors is encouraging for the state of the Mariners minor league development. Guys like Kirby, Campbell, Gilbert and Williamson are in good hands. Newsome, mcgaughen, McKinney, etc might also make a small impact as spot starters, or possibly inexpensive #5 options

When you say pitchers there, you seem to be ignoring the solid relief corps.

Besides that, I don't agree with all your #5 limitations and the list of SP goes significantly deeper than that. I do agree that many of them won't have success in MLB and further they can't all do so here. Several guys are advancing quicker than pundits can apply labels of limitation. I don't see why you would have Newsome as a spot/#5 only, but we'll see. He's exactly the kind of pitcher the Orcs would surprise the league with. They don't all have to make it. Our hopes are not all pinned on Hultzen/Paxton/Walker this time.

[Juliooooo]

As I've said before, many of the minor league pitchers won't make the mlb, but their success in the minors is encouraging for the state of the Mariners minor league development. Guys like Kirby, Campbell, Gilbert and Williamson are in good hands. Newsome, mcgaughen, McKinney, etc might also make a small impact as spot starters, or possibly inexpensive #5 options

When you say pitchers there, you seem to be ignoring the solid relief corps.

Besides that, I don't agree with all your #5 limitations and the list of SP goes significantly deeper than that. I do agree that many of them won't have success in MLB and further they can't all do so here. Several guys are advancing quicker than pundits can apply labels of limitation. I don't see why you would have Newsome as a spot/#5 only, but we'll see. They don't all have to make it. Our hopes are not all pinned on Hultzen/Paxton/Walker this time.

I just have a harder time knowing what relievers have a chance in the pros. I don't know if I should put them in the first group or second group. Guys like McClain,Warren, Walker, Festa, Altavilla. It's harder to project them imo. I also think it's not as big of a concern for development. Use the shotgun approach and hope a few make it. Plus the best relievers might be starters right now, guys like Dunn and Sheffield. Maybe that's where Campbell ends up.

I'm not putting limitations on them, I just think they are more fringy to make it. Crismatt, McGaughan, Miesewicz all looked great in AA, as did Swanson. It's just not all have the stuff to succeed in mlb.

I keep my projections low, and hope to be pleasantly surprised. Except with Julio. He's going to the HOF

[Wishhiker]

As I've said before, many of the minor league pitchers won't make the mlb, but their success in the minors is encouraging for the state of the Mariners minor league development. Guys like Kirby, Campbell, Gilbert and Williamson are in good hands. Newsome, mcgaughen, McKinney, etc might also make a small impact as spot starters, or possibly inexpensive #5 options

When you say pitchers there, you seem to be ignoring the solid relief corps.

Besides that, I don't agree with all your #5 limitations and the list of SP goes significantly deeper than that. I do agree that many of them won't have success in MLB and further they can't all do so here. Several guys are advancing quicker than pundits can apply labels of limitation. I don't see why you would have Newsome as a spot/#5 only, but we'll see. They don't all have to make it. Our hopes are not all pinned on Hultzen/Paxton/Walker this time.

I just have a harder time knowing what relievers have a chance in the pros. I don't know if I should put them in the first group or second group. Guys like McClain,Warren, Walker, Festa, Altavilla. It's harder to project them imo. I also think it's not as big of a concern for development. Use the shotgun approach and hope a few make it. Plus the best relievers might be starters right now, guys like Dunn and Sheffield. Maybe that's where Campbell ends up.

I'm not putting limitations on them, I just think they are more fringy to make it. Crismatt, McGaughan, Miesewicz all looked great in AA, as did Swanson. It's just not all have the stuff to succeed in mlb.

I keep my projections low, and hope to be pleasantly surprised. Except with Julio. He's going to the HOF

I agree with what you're saying basically. For the first time ever in Seattle there's plenty of guys to burn through to find ones who stick.

[Juliooooo]

When you say pitchers there, you seem to be ignoring the solid relief corps.

Besides that, I don't agree with all your #5 limitations and the list of SP goes significantly deeper than that. I do agree that many of them won't have success in MLB and further they can't all do so here. Several guys are advancing quicker than pundits can apply labels of limitation. I don't see why you would have Newsome as a spot/#5 only, but we'll see. They don't all have to make it. Our hopes are not all pinned on Hultzen/Paxton/Walker this time.

I just have a harder time knowing what relievers have a chance in the pros. I don't know if I should put them in the first group or second group. Guys like McClain,Warren, Walker, Festa, Altavilla. It's harder to project them imo. I also think it's not as big of a concern for development. Use the shotgun approach and hope a few make it. Plus the best relievers might be starters right now, guys like Dunn and Sheffield. Maybe that's where Campbell ends up.

I'm not putting limitations on them, I just think they are more fringy to make it. Crismatt, McGaughan, Miesewicz all looked great in AA, as did Swanson. It's just not all have the stuff to succeed in mlb.

I keep my projections low, and hope to be pleasantly surprised. Except with Julio. He's going to the HOF

I agree with what you're saying basically. For the first time ever in Seattle there's plenty of guys to burn through to find ones who stick.

And it's not just the talent, they have the system in place to develop them I think. That is something they lacked before

[Wishhiker]

I just have a harder time knowing what relievers have a chance in the pros. I don't know if I should put them in the first group or second group. Guys like McClain,Warren, Walker, Festa, Altavilla. It's harder to project them imo. I also think it's not as big of a concern for development. Use the shotgun approach and hope a few make it. Plus the best relievers might be starters right now, guys like Dunn and Sheffield. Maybe that's where Campbell ends up.

I'm not putting limitations on them, I just think they are more fringy to make it. Crismatt, McGaughan, Miesewicz all looked great in AA, as did Swanson. It's just not all have the stuff to succeed in mlb.

I keep my projections low, and hope to be pleasantly surprised. Except with Julio. He's going to the HOF

I agree with what you're saying basically. For the first time ever in Seattle there's plenty of guys to burn through to find ones who stick.

And it's not just the talent, they have the system in place to develop them I think. That is something they lacked before

Exactly. To the point of adding 5+MPH for several pitchers in one offseason. Potentially more this offseason.

[Dr Naysay]

Yeah so many pitchers have bought in to the system including a few unhearalded ones like Dayeison Arias who was lights out in relief in West Virginia and Modesto and the ones wishhiker had up.

[D-train]

Dunn on JK:

‘That kid’s special’
During Dunn’s interview with Bob, Groz and Tom, he also spent some time talking about Kelenic, the 20-year-old outfield phenom who joined the Travelers late in the second half of the season – his second promotion of the year.

“That kid’s special,” Dunn said. “He really rises to the occasion and he’s a perfectionist, which is something that I appreciate because I like to be the same way.”

Kelenic has been lauded not just for his on-field talent but his knowledge of the game, something certainly emphasized by a story Dunn told about Kelenic’s first day with Arkansas.

“Even his first day here, he got up and was talking about how he was sitting on a certain pitch and (how) he was OK (with) getting beat in his first at-bat because he knew he was gonna get a certain pitch later in the game in a big spot,” Dunn said. “And he got it, and I mean he hit it about 450 feet – it was a go-ahead homer. Just to hear someone 20 years old talk like that and how advanced he is and see how hard he works and how much he loves the game is special. I’m really excited to play with him for a long time and happy I don’t have to face him, for sure.”

[Donn Beach]

Dipoto saying the new data processes gives them the opportunity to move college pitchers though the minors faster now

In that 6-8 month category, perhaps a surprise is Logan Gilbert, the Mariners’ No. 1 pick in the 2018 MLB Draft. He has performed well in his first professional season, posting an ERA of 2.13 in 26 starts across three levels of the minors while striking out 165 batters and walking just 33. With what the Mariners now have at their disposal in data, technology and evaluation of biomechanics, mature pitchers – meaning those who played in college – would appear to have the chance to move through the ranks quicker than ever before.

“Definitely,” Dipoto agreed. “I think Logan is the first representation of that. When I talked with him (about being shut down last year after hitting his first-year innings limit), I told him he’s going to pitch in the big leagues for us in 2020 unless something goes wildly wrong. I think we are going to see similar-type moves for guys like (2019 draft picks) George Kirby, Brandon Williamson and Isaiah Campbell. Whether they are as successful as Logan so quickly, that’s going to be a tall order because Logan had a phenomenal season. These guys are doing great things at Short-A, I suspect they’re not going to play at just one level next year. We are going to give them a chance to move.”

that is probably one of the things pushing his aggressive timeline, his love affair with analytics

[D-train]

Minor league award winners: What is the 60 foot 6 inches award?

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