Another trade deadline plan.

[Seattle or Bust]

You could be the dumbest person alive.

They are not benching Luke Raley in favor of another left-handed 1B who can't lefties. Especially not for one who is a pure rental. Yes, I realize Canzone is an outfielder... so is Raley if he's not playing 1B you clown.

Trading for Naylor creates a positional logjam that they're not going to partake in. It's like your mind isn't able to connect dots or something.

Raley has options. You say you want better players and then you contradict yourself by whining about a positional logjam. There's also the injured list. Who knows what the health status is come Aug 1 or Aug 20.

Don't pivot to some bullshit about August. You were already stupid enough to mention Houston's potential injuries and got laughed at.

"Raley has options" to do what? I can promise you the M's aren't looking at Raley as a bench player.

There are no positional log jams at 3B or 2B. You're just stupidly obsessed with mid prospects like Sauryn Lao who you once said was on your M's "untouchables" list despite them DFAing him already this year.

Both Williamson and Young need more time in the minors with the bat. Any team that is stupid enough to roll with them during a playoff push when there are easy upgrades available is either ran by a moron or by Vogelbomb.

[Vogelbomb]

Don't pivot to some bullshit about August. You were already stupid enough to mention Houston's potential injuries and got laughed at.

"Raley has options" to do what? I can promise you the M's aren't looking at Raley as a bench player.

There are no positional log jams at 3B or 2B. You're just stupidly obsessed with mid prospects like Sauryn Lao who you once said was on your M's "untouchables" list despite them DFAing him already this year.

Both Williamson and Young need more time in the minors with the bat. Any team that is stupid enough to roll with them during a playoff push when there are easy upgrades available is either ran by a moron or by Vogelbomb.

I said the ASstros pitching wasn't going to keep up what they were doing and look at their play this week. I used injuries as a potential reason, not the only reason, as to why they'd come back to earth.

Raley can always be dealt in another move.

Every report we have heard on the M's regarding the deadline, says they are looking at corner infield bats. So I"m suggesting a move at 1b. If you don't like, fine, your prerogative to criticize it. But that's the move I'm making. It's a solid move. I love Lao. He was DFA'd early in the year because they felt they could sneak him thru waivers and they did. That doesn't mean they don't love his talent. They called him up over other available options and he dominated in Boston.

Young doesn't need anymore time. It's like you don't even watch the game

[Seattle or Bust]

Don't pivot to some bullshit about August. You were already stupid enough to mention Houston's potential injuries and got laughed at.

"Raley has options" to do what? I can promise you the M's aren't looking at Raley as a bench player.

There are no positional log jams at 3B or 2B. You're just stupidly obsessed with mid prospects like Sauryn Lao who you once said was on your M's "untouchables" list despite them DFAing him already this year.

Both Williamson and Young need more time in the minors with the bat. Any team that is stupid enough to roll with them during a playoff push when there are easy upgrades available is either ran by a moron or by Vogelbomb.

I said the ASstros pitching wasn't going to keep up what they were doing and look at their play this week. I used injuries as a potential reason, not the only reason, as to why they'd come back to earth.

Raley can always be dealt in another move.

Every report we have heard on the M's regarding the deadline, says they are looking at corner infield bats. So I"m suggesting a move at 1b. If you don't like, fine, your prerogative to criticize it. But that's the move I'm making. It's a solid move. I love Lao. He was DFA'd early in the year because they felt they could sneak him thru waivers and they did. That doesn't mean they don't love his talent. They called him up over other available options and he dominated in Boston.

Young doesn't need anymore time. It's like you don't even watch the game

How about you look at their play all year? You said that stupid bullshit and they won 16 of 20.

Yes, you do realize corner IF bats includes 3B right... and 3B happens to be where they have a rookie with an 80 OPS+ right?

Ya, the player worth -0.2 fWAR with a 75 wRC+ doesn't need more time.

It's like you don't have a fucking brain.

[D-train]

Williamson has been more than adequate as an everyday 3b. I'd rather just upgrade 1b

.611 OPS

[Seattle or Bust]

Williamson has been more than adequate as an everyday 3b. I'd rather just upgrade 1b

.611 OPS

This guy drives me up a friggin' wall.

Here comes "I DON'T CARE WHAT THE IMPORTANT STATISTICS SAY!!! I KNOW BASEBALL AND MY EYES SAY HE'S A GREAT PLAYER!!!"

[Vogelbomb]

This guy drives me up a friggin' wall.

Here comes "I DON'T CARE WHAT THE IMPORTANT STATISTICS SAY!!! I KNOW BASEBALL AND MY EYES SAY HE'S A GREAT PLAYER!!!"

He's 2-4 today and his OPS is actually .617/

I think he's adequate for now (not great) given the rest of the lineup being above avg. He's a 24 yo rookie and I'm willing to stomach him in the 9 hole. He plays tremendous defense at a key position, he runs the bases extremely well, he doesn't give ABs away in key spots. He's a .11 in clutch spots per fangraphs.

I wouldn't argue against a rental upgrade like Geno at that spot. But that's not my priority right now. That's my thought

[Vogelbomb]

I like Williamson's make up and his demeanor but I've never come on this board and said "We're fine at 3b" or criticized posters for proposing a 3b trade.

That is a spot where the M's are not getting enough slug, there's no doubt about it. But --- with Canzone, Arozarena, Polanco and now Rodriguez all getting hot --- I don't think it's a pressing need. Williamson batting 8th (I'd have him 9th) is not killing this offense at all. Look at the Yanks using Peraza in the 9 hole, and he's a worse player than Ben

You don't need to be 125 wRC+ at every spot. But again, if a deal presents itself and you don't have to give up a t10 prospect and you decide it's your best move to get better, fine, absolutely. Obviously Ben needs more time in the minors to work on his offense.

[Vogelbomb]

You know, if we didn't trade Noelvi Marte, we wouldn't be in need of a 3b at all.

Noelvi homered today for the Reds, came into the game with a 137 OPS+. Sometimes you do just end up spinning your wheels and chasing your tail with these deadline moves. Hold onto Marte and there's no need to keep searching for 3b help

[Seattle or Bust]

You know, if we didn't trade Noelvi Marte, we wouldn't be in need of a 3b at all.

Noelvi homered today for the Reds, came into the game with a 137 OPS+. Sometimes you do just end up spinning your wheels and chasing your tail with these deadline moves. Hold onto Marte and there's no need to keep searching for 3b help

If we didn't trade Marte, we wouldn't have had Luis Castillo which means we likely wouldn't have broken the playoff drought in 2023 and won a playoff series.

There's also no way the M's, in their position of trying to compete, would roll with a guy who was one of the worst 3 position players in baseball last year at -1.2 fWAR over just 66 games alongside an 80-game suspension for PEDs.

Your brain just doesn't think of this stuff does it? It just jumps to shit without thinking.

[D-train]

Wonder if the Indians might be persuaded to move Ramirez?

No chance. I thought Ben was adequate?