Offseason Plans

[desbcoach]

I swear man - I'm on this MLB trade values thing.

A guy wants to offer Ty France and Jarred Kelenic for 3 years of German Marquez at around $14 million a year. German Marquez has a career 4.25 ERA and finished 2021 at 4.40. So we're going to give up 4 years of Ty France and 6 years of Kelenic (who have MONSTER ceilings) for a pitcher who has never been able to put it together? And at double-digit cash in the millions!?

Not only that, but he's convinced the M's are going to bring back Kyle Seager because the M's brought back 42-year-old Ichiro to play 17 games in 2018/2019.

And he's getting all upset that I'm not being nice to him.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE.

Discounting the trade value, why would you trade two pieces that would open another hole or two when it is easier to sign a FA pitcher then a 1B or CF even if he sucked

[Pharmabro]

I swear man - I'm on this MLB trade values thing.

A guy wants to offer Ty France and Jarred Kelenic for 3 years of German Marquez at around $14 million a year. German Marquez has a career 4.25 ERA and finished 2021 at 4.40. So we're going to give up 4 years of Ty France and 6 years of Kelenic (who have MONSTER ceilings) for a pitcher who has never been able to put it together? And at double-digit cash in the millions!?

Not only that, but he's convinced the M's are going to bring back Kyle Seager because the M's brought back 42-year-old Ichiro to play 17 games in 2018/2019.

And he's getting all upset that I'm not being nice to him.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE.

Discounting the trade value, why would you trade two pieces that would open another hole or two when it is easier to sign a FA pitcher then a 1B or CF even if he sucked

[Pharmabro]

I like Marquez a lot and think he would benefit from exitinc Colorado's thin air and it's negative impact on stuff that curves.

I would not give up Kelenic or France for him. He is a better version of Mike Leake. We didn't give up much for him. Marquez is a good not great pitcher now. 108 138 108 ERA+ last 3 years with the really good year the Covid shortened season. Mighty close to our own Marcos Gonzalez 105 138 109 ERA+ last 3 years.

So yes sign me up for Marquez but the package would look something like:
#6 Zack Deloach 50 rated normally an end of top 100 score 2nd Rd pick performing well.#
8 RHP Conner Phillups a high upside guy an upper end of the draft kid

#21 OF Alberto Rodriguez The Walker return from the Jays

And then Justus SHeffield former top 100 but needs developmental time that we don't really have for him.

I could see someone like Trammellgets added but or Brandon W, or Levi Stoudt vs Conner but you get the general idea . You don't get the top 1/2 dozen or so gems for a good player that is no longer underpaid .

[GL_Storm]

I've heard lots of speculation about Marquez this year. But there's never been the slightest hint that Colorado is interested in trading him and they have him under contract for the next 3 years at a reasonable cost. The real problem in CO is that there's no plan and the owner thinks he's the GM and the smartest guy in baseball. He's not going to concede that they've been doing things wrong and commit to rebuilding, which is what you need to happen before a trade becomes possible, especially with this much time left on Marquez's deal.

This is not to say that the Mariners shouldn't make inquiries. Of course they should, and maybe JD can work some magic. It's possible. But there's never been any indication that the player is likely to get traded.

[SeattleSportsRUs]

I've heard lots of speculation about Marquez this year. But there's never been the slightest hint that Colorado is interested in trading him and they have him under contract for the next 3 years at a reasonable cost. The real problem in CO is that there's no plan and the owner thinks he's the GM and the smartest guy in baseball. He's not going to concede that they've been doing things wrong and commit to rebuilding, which is what you need to happen before a trade becomes possible, especially with this much time left on Marquez's deal.

This is not to say that the Mariners shouldn't make inquiries. Of course they should, and maybe JD can work some magic. It's possible. But there's never been any indication that the player is likely to get traded.

I don't know how $11, $15, and $16 million is a "reasonable" cost for a guy who routinely pitches in the low 4's ERA wise. There are very few guys across the big leagues who make that kind of money.

He had a 3.67 ERA at Coors this year, 5.38 on the road. A total 180 from what he's done in years prior - that's scary.

[GL_Storm]

I've heard lots of speculation about Marquez this year. But there's never been the slightest hint that Colorado is interested in trading him and they have him under contract for the next 3 years at a reasonable cost. The real problem in CO is that there's no plan and the owner thinks he's the GM and the smartest guy in baseball. He's not going to concede that they've been doing things wrong and commit to rebuilding, which is what you need to happen before a trade becomes possible, especially with this much time left on Marquez's deal.

This is not to say that the Mariners shouldn't make inquiries. Of course they should, and maybe JD can work some magic. It's possible. But there's never been any indication that the player is likely to get traded.

I don't know how $11, $15, and $16 million is a "reasonable" cost for a guy who routinely pitches in the low 4's ERA wise. There are very few guys across the big leagues who make that kind of money.

He had a 3.67 ERA at Coors this year, 5.38 on the road. A total 180 from what he's done in years prior - that's scary.

He's 26 and entering his prime. If CO wanted to trade him I think they could get a lot. But as I said, there's never been the slightest hint that they want to do that. Zip. Zero. Zilch.

[SeattleSportsRUs]

I've heard lots of speculation about Marquez this year. But there's never been the slightest hint that Colorado is interested in trading him and they have him under contract for the next 3 years at a reasonable cost. The real problem in CO is that there's no plan and the owner thinks he's the GM and the smartest guy in baseball. He's not going to concede that they've been doing things wrong and commit to rebuilding, which is what you need to happen before a trade becomes possible, especially with this much time left on Marquez's deal.

This is not to say that the Mariners shouldn't make inquiries. Of course they should, and maybe JD can work some magic. It's possible. But there's never been any indication that the player is likely to get traded.

I don't know how $11, $15, and $16 million is a "reasonable" cost for a guy who routinely pitches in the low 4's ERA wise. There are very few guys across the big leagues who make that kind of money.

He had a 3.67 ERA at Coors this year, 5.38 on the road. A total 180 from what he's done in years prior - that's scary.

He's 26 and entering his prime. If CO wanted to trade him I think they could get a lot. But as I said, there's never been the slightest hint that they want to do that. Zip. Zero. Zilch.

I'd like to see he's the least bit capable of a sub-3 ERA season before I decide to dump major prospects and around $14 million a year for him.

They can hang onto him all they want - he's not helping their cause with a 4.25 ERA or in landing pieces for a rebuild.

[D-train]

I've heard lots of speculation about Marquez this year. But there's never been the slightest hint that Colorado is interested in trading him and they have him under contract for the next 3 years at a reasonable cost. The real problem in CO is that there's no plan and the owner thinks he's the GM and the smartest guy in baseball. He's not going to concede that they've been doing things wrong and commit to rebuilding, which is what you need to happen before a trade becomes possible, especially with this much time left on Marquez's deal.

This is not to say that the Mariners shouldn't make inquiries. Of course they should, and maybe JD can work some magic. It's possible. But there's never been any indication that the player is likely to get traded.

It would be asinine to trade position players off the ML roster when we have starters coming out our ears and NEED position players. It would be like Sweden trading oil to Iraq for hot blonde women.

[SeattleSportsRUs]

Some of the trade values don't even make sense.

John Means, in my opinion, is just as good if not better than Marquez. He's got 3 years of control as well and will make significantly less money than Marquez. Means hung a 3.62 ERA playing on the worst team in baseball - that's impressive.

The website has him listed at 28.3 value while Marquez is at 66.

Hogwash.

[D-train]

Pretty thorough assessment of possibilities to add Bats. No mention of Olson though. Schwarber is really growing on me given his ability to play multiple positions and of course have the bat to be a full time DH. And he doesn't even turn 29 until ST.

https://prospectinsider.com/mariners-tr ... o-ramirez/