Where do we stand on Kelenic?

What is your oppinion of Kelenic after his strong start to the Spring?

He is finally reaching his potential
16
53%
He will still suck when the bright lights come on
9
30%
Trade him now while you can still get something for him
5
17%
 
Total votes: 30

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Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?

Post by D-train » Tue May 23, 2023 4:04 pm

Juliooooo wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 3:43 pm
D-train wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 3:27 pm
Obviously they were right to not trade him but wrong about wasting $7M on a washed up hitter because he had fluky good splits vs. LHPs last season.
So is time to cut or trade pollack.
Trade? We would have to pay 110% of his salary and his airfare to the new team and would get back a 16 yo Venezuelan girl that just signed for a $150 bonus. lol
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Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?

Post by Donn Beach » Tue May 23, 2023 4:07 pm

Mariners? I was wrong, I thought he would hit better than he has. But I'm not God's gift to baseball analysis that you guys are.

It's interesting looking back on the optimism. Pollock is probably the least surprising of the declines

Vegas odds site, Jrod and his MVP pursuit
The supporting cast for J-Rod is still strong, as Eugenio Suarez and Ty France combined for 51 homers and around a 130 wRC+. J.P. Crawford walks at a high rate and still had a 104 wRC+ despite a .275 BABIP. The aforementioned Raleigh is a solid defensive catcher and an above average hitter. Wong does represent a big upgrade over Frazier, as he posted a 117 wRC+ to follow up his 110 mark in 2021. Frazier had an 81 wRC+, so that means roughly a 30% increase in offensive production at second base.

Hernandez has been an above average hitter each of the last six seasons, posting wRC+ marks of 132 and 129 the last two seasons. He does decline in park factor a bit here, but he makes extremely violent contact with an elite Hard Hit%. I even like AJ Pollock as a super buy-low guy. The White Sox were toxic last season and he had been above average by wRC+ for five straight seasons and seven of the last eight. The one where he wasn’t only featured 46 plate appearances. He’s on the wrong side of 35, but he can DH and play the OF to spell guys. He had a 92 wRC+ last season and now has a much better situation.

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Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?

Post by Juliooooo » Tue May 23, 2023 4:21 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 4:04 pm
Juliooooo wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 3:43 pm
D-train wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 3:27 pm
Obviously they were right to not trade him but wrong about wasting $7M on a washed up hitter because he had fluky good splits vs. LHPs last season.
So is time to cut or trade pollack.
Trade? We would have to pay 110% of his salary and his airfare to the new team and would get back a 16 yo Venezuelan girl that just signed for a $150 bonus. lol
Who knows if a team wants him for minimum with mariners paying the rest of his salary. Mariners were willing to pay him 7 million, so you never know
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Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?

Post by Seattle or Bust » Tue May 23, 2023 5:46 pm

Juliooooo wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 4:21 pm
D-train wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 4:04 pm
Juliooooo wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 3:43 pm


So is time to cut or trade pollack.
Trade? We would have to pay 110% of his salary and his airfare to the new team and would get back a 16 yo Venezuelan girl that just signed for a $150 bonus. lol
Who knows if a team wants him for minimum with mariners paying the rest of his salary. Mariners were willing to pay him 7 million, so you never know
I think other teams could be intrigued by Wong and Pollock if you paid their salaries given previous production.

You'd get a bag of balls back, but at least it's a bag of balls.

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Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?

Post by Juliooooo » Tue May 23, 2023 5:51 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 5:46 pm
Juliooooo wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 4:21 pm
D-train wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 4:04 pm


Trade? We would have to pay 110% of his salary and his airfare to the new team and would get back a 16 yo Venezuelan girl that just signed for a $150 bonus. lol
Who knows if a team wants him for minimum with mariners paying the rest of his salary. Mariners were willing to pay him 7 million, so you never know
I think other teams could be intrigued by Wong and Pollock if you paid their salaries given previous production.

You'd get a bag of balls back, but at least it's a bag of balls.
Mariners got Brash for Taylor Williams, and Berroa for Donnie Walton…
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Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?

Post by GL_Storm » Tue May 23, 2023 5:56 pm

Pollock has no value, unfortunately. He'll be DFA'd at some point, though he may have a little bit more time since they're paying him. But I wouldexpect no later than mid-season. It really shouldn't take that long, but this is the Mariners and they don't like giving up on salary. Wong will likely ride the bench the rest of the season, though I could see him getting DFA'd in August.

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Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?

Post by D-train » Tue May 23, 2023 6:38 pm

Juliooooo wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 4:21 pm
D-train wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 4:04 pm
Juliooooo wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 3:43 pm


So is time to cut or trade pollack.
Trade? We would have to pay 110% of his salary and his airfare to the new team and would get back a 16 yo Venezuelan girl that just signed for a $150 bonus. lol
Who knows if a team wants him for minimum with mariners paying the rest of his salary. Mariners were willing to pay him 7 million, so you never know
Teams trading for a vet are in the playoff hunt still. Imagine their fan base's reaction if they bring in an over the hill guy hitting a buck 48 to improve their offense. How would you feel if Jerry traded for Nola or Villar right now?

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Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?

Post by D-train » Tue May 23, 2023 6:41 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 5:46 pm
Juliooooo wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 4:21 pm
D-train wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 4:04 pm


Trade? We would have to pay 110% of his salary and his airfare to the new team and would get back a 16 yo Venezuelan girl that just signed for a $150 bonus. lol
Who knows if a team wants him for minimum with mariners paying the rest of his salary. Mariners were willing to pay him 7 million, so you never know
I think other teams could be intrigued by Wong and Pollock if you paid their salaries given previous production.

You'd get a bag of balls back, but at least it's a bag of balls.
No chance. And Jerry would be afraid to tell Stanton he flushed almost $7M
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Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?

Post by D-train » Tue May 23, 2023 6:42 pm

Juliooooo wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 5:51 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 5:46 pm
Juliooooo wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 4:21 pm


Who knows if a team wants him for minimum with mariners paying the rest of his salary. Mariners were willing to pay him 7 million, so you never know
I think other teams could be intrigued by Wong and Pollock if you paid their salaries given previous production.

You'd get a bag of balls back, but at least it's a bag of balls.
Mariners got Brash for Taylor Williams, and Berroa for Donnie Walton…
At least those guys were young and were making minimum wage.
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Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?

Post by Pharmabro » Tue May 23, 2023 10:18 pm

Just to tack on 2000 also playoffs (2 over 1.000)
.316 .420 .606 1.026 163 OPS+ ARod
.324 .423 .579 1.002 158 OPS+ Edgar

Olerud, Buhner came close

1999 .337 .447 .554 1.001 152 OPS+ Edgar
Jr .285 .384 .576 .960 139
ALex .285 .357 .586 .943 134


Doing this just makes me want to build a monster add Paul G. the Cards lost today to go to 6 under .500 but they got Dejong back who is hot at like a 170 OPS+ and like a lot of our guys Nolan Arenado is slow starting for his history at a 109 OPS+ \\

.288 .399 .489 .888 146 OPS+ Goldy bat would really help complete the lineup

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