Offseason Plans

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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by Captain 97 » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:11 pm

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Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:52 pm
Who is a better investment: an optioned Kyle Seager for one year at a net $18 million or free agent first baseman Anthony Rizzo, who reportedly turned down a five-year, $70 million contract extension last spring?

Since the start of the 2020 season Seager has posted 4.0 fWAR and an OPS+ of 105 in 918 plate appearances while Rizzo, who is 21 months younger than Seager, posted 2.6 fWAR and an OPS+ of 109 in 819 plate appearances.
Thats a close call. I would say that with similar offensive stats you would go with the 3rd baseman for position scarcity. However Rizzo has a much better recent history with the bat. over the last 4 seasons Rizzo's OPS+ is at 123 while Seager is at 101.

Ultimately though I would like to make a bigger splash than Rizzo. Kris Bryant is a similar offensive player to Rizzo (122 OPS+ over the last 4 years) but does it as a third baseman which is more valuable. And I'll keep banging the Drum for Matt Olson and his 153 OPS+ to come via trade. Unlike Rizzo who will be 32 next year, Olson is 27 and just entering his prime. Thats the kind of piece that you need to pair up with J-ROD in the middle of the order and build a championship team around.
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by Captain 97 » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:16 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:57 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:49 pm
Here are the actual stats put up by every teams at the DH position.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... 2021-12-31
Torrens is hit .266/.803 since returning from T-town. That would work as a full time DH with the ability to Catch or play 1B/3B in a pinch and the potential that he continues to improve at the plate.
Yeah .803 would put them exactly in the middle of the pack for OPS at 8th in the league. IT would look a whole lot better at Catcher though where it would be 3rd in baseball behind the Royals and Giants. I hope he works hard on his defense this off season.

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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:48 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:16 pm
D-train wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:57 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:49 pm
Here are the actual stats put up by every teams at the DH position.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... 2021-12-31
Torrens is hit .266/.803 since returning from T-town. That would work as a full time DH with the ability to Catch or play 1B/3B in a pinch and the potential that he continues to improve at the plate.
Yeah .803 would put them exactly in the middle of the pack for OPS at 8th in the league. IT would look a whole lot better at Catcher though where it would be 3rd in baseball behind the Royals and Giants. I hope he works hard on his defense this off season.
Odd thing is when he came here there was no indication that he was not a good catcher unlike when Montero got here everyone knew he couldn't catch.
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by GL_Storm » Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:35 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:48 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:16 pm
D-train wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:57 pm


Torrens is hit .266/.803 since returning from T-town. That would work as a full time DH with the ability to Catch or play 1B/3B in a pinch and the potential that he continues to improve at the plate.
Yeah .803 would put them exactly in the middle of the pack for OPS at 8th in the league. IT would look a whole lot better at Catcher though where it would be 3rd in baseball behind the Royals and Giants. I hope he works hard on his defense this off season.
Odd thing is when he came here there was no indication that he was not a good catcher unlike when Montero got here everyone knew he couldn't catch.
Montero as a prospect is an example of how irrational these prospect ratings can get. I remember reading about him in Baseball America when he was a couple years out from his major league debut, and even though he was highly ranked, there were serious doubts about his remaining at catcher. And I remember wondering, if he's limited to 1B or DH, why is he so hyped up? What's the big deal? He did have some good offensive numbers at AAA, very good actually. But he didn't walk as much as I thought he should and it made me wonder how he would handle major league pitching.

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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:17 pm

This is old but huge news that I haven't heard. He is back in as an option and probably my first FA option.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GregBailey13/status ... de%3Dfalse[/tweet]
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:38 pm

Corey Brock
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Mariners president of baseball ops Jerry Dipoto just spoke to reporters.
This one stood out:
"We do have payroll flexibility and we're going to use it to make the team better.
Of course he could have said that a year ago as well.
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:49 pm

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We've just wrapped up a 35 min media session with Dipoto and Servais.

When asked if he has been given assurances he would be able to increase payroll significantly from where it was this year in order to be aggressive in the free agent market, Dipoto answered, "Yes."
Define significantly. A $25M 30% increase could be defined as significant but that won't get us jack shit.
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by bpj » Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:54 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:16 pm
D-train wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:57 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:49 pm
Here are the actual stats put up by every teams at the DH position.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... 2021-12-31
Torrens is hit .266/.803 since returning from T-town. That would work as a full time DH with the ability to Catch or play 1B/3B in a pinch and the potential that he continues to improve at the plate.
Yeah .803 would put them exactly in the middle of the pack for OPS at 8th in the league. IT would look a whole lot better at Catcher though where it would be 3rd in baseball behind the Royals and Giants. I hope he works hard on his defense this off season.
Yeah, he would look much better as a catcher.

Settling for the 8th ranked OPS from your DH is like the definition of a team that will barely miss the playoffs.

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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:57 pm

bpj wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:54 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:16 pm
D-train wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:57 pm


Torrens is hit .266/.803 since returning from T-town. That would work as a full time DH with the ability to Catch or play 1B/3B in a pinch and the potential that he continues to improve at the plate.
Yeah .803 would put them exactly in the middle of the pack for OPS at 8th in the league. IT would look a whole lot better at Catcher though where it would be 3rd in baseball behind the Royals and Giants. I hope he works hard on his defense this off season.
Yeah, he would look much better as a catcher.

Settling for the 8th ranked OPS from your DH is like the definition of a team that will barely miss the playoffs.
Perhaps but you can't have 900 OPS guy at every position. With JRAM at 3B, Semien at 2B and Schwarber in LF I think he would be fine until JRod comes up and then move Schwarber to DH.
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by bpj » Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:06 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:57 pm
bpj wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:54 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:16 pm


Yeah .803 would put them exactly in the middle of the pack for OPS at 8th in the league. IT would look a whole lot better at Catcher though where it would be 3rd in baseball behind the Royals and Giants. I hope he works hard on his defense this off season.
Yeah, he would look much better as a catcher.

Settling for the 8th ranked OPS from your DH is like the definition of a team that will barely miss the playoffs.
Perhaps but you can't have 900 OPS guy at every position. With JRAM at 3B, Semien at 2B and Schwarber in LF I think he would be fine until JRod comes up and then move Schwarber to DH.
Yeah, I don't think there's any reason Schwarber, Torrens, Lewis and Kelenic couldn't all fit on the roster and whichever bat doesn't perform can take a hike when Julio's ready. Seems like a great plan.

I think we could be contenders even adding just him, but three good players would be an easy playoff team unless we Padre it.

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