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Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:06 pm
by Donn Beach
Terms of Julio, whether the sophomore slump is real or not, for various reasons one should probably expect around a 15-20% reduction in production in the second year. He is on course for nearly 5 bWAR isn't he? That would fall into that range. We might be getting a little carried away comparing him to Smoak and Ackley at this point
Check out doc gooden and cal Ripken for the other side of the coin
https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-sophomore-slump/
Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:00 pm
by ddraig
Griffey was in a far higher league than either JK or J-Rod. Not a realistic comparison offensively.
Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:51 pm
by D-train
Donn Beach wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:06 pm
Terms of Julio, whether the sophomore slump is real or not, for various reasons one should probably expect around a 15-20% reduction in production in the second year. He is on course for nearly 5 bWAR isn't he? That would fall into that range. We might be getting a little carried away comparing him to Smoak and Ackley at this point
Check out doc gooden and cal Ripken for the other side of the coin
https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-sophomore-slump/
His D has been great. That and his positional adjustment have supported his WAR despite the weak offense. He is still valuable and no reason he can't rebound to 2022 numbers in the second half. Not worried....yet.
Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:01 pm
by bpj
Now with a .591 OPS in June after .982 in April and .728 in May.
If he continues to sink like a brick I hope they swap Kelenic and Trammell for awhile. Send Kelenic back to his offseason hitting coach, the in-house one clearly doesn't do anything.
Give Taylor some every day at bats and see what he can do when healthy.
Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:21 pm
by D-train
ddraig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:00 pm
Griffey was in a far higher league than either JK or J-Rod. Not a realistic comparison offensively.
So Griffey was a better hitter than JK? Post of the year right there! lol
Re: Where do we stand on Kelenic?
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2023 5:54 pm
by Michael K.
ddraig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:00 pm
Griffey was in a far higher league than either JK or J-Rod. Not a realistic comparison offensively.
I wasn't comparing them, using it as a basis for how great players have to be great at dealing with failure. I had his career average too low, but even at .284? He made an out 71% of the time. Imagine if you couldn't deal with that and killed yourself after every out? My point was how Kelenic might be a bit over the top in this aspect. Instead of not dealing with failure, he might actually deal with it too well. Simply believe that he is that good. Many of his comments would lead me to believe that.
My point wasn't to compare them, but to say I understand a baseball player has to be very tough mentally, extremely confident in themselves and have the ability to deal with failure. BUT, is Kelenic too far that direction and has too much confidence?