Finally! Official Hot Stove League Thread

[bpj]

Dansby Swanson and Andrew Benintendi are the two red flag options (Like Trevor Story and Nick Castellanos were last year) that I hope Dipoto will avoid like the plague.

One thing I'm grateful for is that Dipoto didn't sign any of these bums.

Swanson signed for 7/$177M, and he had a lower OPS last season than Kelenic, Marlowe or Teoscar, and they played half their games in T-Mobile.

Or imagine being shackled to Benintendi for another 4 years on his 5 year, $75M contract.. .682 OPS last season.

Story, 6 years $140M... and his better year of the two so far was a .737 OPS..

Things could be a lot worse...

[D-train]

Dansby Swanson and Andrew Benintendi are the two red flag options (Like Trevor Story and Nick Castellanos were last year) that I hope Dipoto will avoid like the plague.

One thing I'm grateful for is that Dipoto didn't sign any of these bums.

Swanson signed for 7/$177M, and he had a lower OPS last season than Kelenic, Marlowe or Teoscar, and they played half their games in T-Mobile.

Or imagine being shackled to Benintendi for another 4 years on his 5 year, $75M contract.. .682 OPS last season.

Story, 6 years $140M... and his better year of the two so far was a .737 OPS..

Things could be a lot worse...

I was just looking at Story in 2023. Holy Shit. .203/.250/.316/.566

Makes me feel Sexy that we didn't sign him. Get it?

[D-train]

Arb cases:

[Juliooooo]

Arb cases:

LOL at the tigers saying No to 25 K for Casey Mize. They passed you 7.5 million to sign Casey. You really need that extra 25 K? Also, 25 K for the tigers? Its just funny they couldn’t reach an agreement

[D-train]

$25k is probably what a couple sections at the ballpark spend on concessions for ONE game.

[GL_Storm]

This is the 2023 Hot Stove thread.

[D-train]

This is the 2023 Hot Stove thread.

Yeah, let's get back to the future. ha

[Pharmabro]

Sometimes I forget why they stopped letting him spend money, then remember how he's allocated money previously...

2016:
Aoki $5.5M
Lind $8M
Miley $6M
Seth Smith $6.75M
Iannetta $4.25M
Cishek $4M
Benoit $8M
TOTAL: $42.5M
As % of Payroll: 29.86%
Total WAR: 3.0
$/WAR: $14.17M

2017:
Gallardo $9M
Smyly $6.85M
Cishek $6M
Valencia $5.5M
Rzepczynski $5.5M
Ruiz $4.5M
TOTAL: $37.35M
As % of Payroll: 24.2%
Total WAR: -0.3
$/WAR: error

2018:
Gordon $10.8M
Nicasio $7.75M
David Phelps $5.5M
Rzepczynski $5.5M
TOTAL: $29.6M
As % of Payroll: 18.75%
Total WAR: 0.5
$/WAR: $59.2M

2019:
Gordon $13.3M
Kikuchi $9.5M
TOTAL: $22.8M
As % of Payroll: 15.56%
Total WAR: 0.7
$/WAR: $32.57M

2020:
Kikuchi $16M
Gordon $13.74M
Mallex Smith $2.35M
TOTAL: $32M
Short season

2021:
Kikuchi $16.5M
Paxton $8.5M
Montero $2.25M
TOTAL: $27.25M
As % of Payroll: 37.12%
Total WAR: 1.4
$/WAR: $19.46M

2022:
Frazier $8M
Winker $6.75M
Giles $5.25M
Romo $2M
White $1.4M
TOTAL: $23.4M
As % of Payroll: 22.52%
Total WAR: 0.9
$/WAR: $26M

From this group of players, over 6 years (covid pass for 2020), these players accumulated 6.2 WAR for a cost of $182.9M, good for a $/WAR cost of $29.5M

In a market where they estimate one WAR is worth ~$8M on the free agent market, Dipoto paid $29.5M/WAR for these bums.

And got a promotion.

Can add Ray, Wong and Pollock to the list of wasted dollars at this point...

With Teoscar Hernandez still trying to swing his way out of a wet paper bag... And Geno Suarez seems to be hitting like he did in Cincinnati...

At least Dipoto's consistent...

flawed
2023
JP 11M 5.1 WAR
Ford 0.1M 0.6 WAR
Castillo 11.4M 3.4WAR
Julio 6.2M 5.4 WAR

And each year I could do the same thing but why waste my time.

[bpj]

Sometimes I forget why they stopped letting him spend money, then remember how he's allocated money previously...

2016:
Aoki $5.5M
Lind $8M
Miley $6M
Seth Smith $6.75M
Iannetta $4.25M
Cishek $4M
Benoit $8M
TOTAL: $42.5M
As % of Payroll: 29.86%
Total WAR: 3.0
$/WAR: $14.17M

2017:
Gallardo $9M
Smyly $6.85M
Cishek $6M
Valencia $5.5M
Rzepczynski $5.5M
Ruiz $4.5M
TOTAL: $37.35M
As % of Payroll: 24.2%
Total WAR: -0.3
$/WAR: error

2018:
Gordon $10.8M
Nicasio $7.75M
David Phelps $5.5M
Rzepczynski $5.5M
TOTAL: $29.6M
As % of Payroll: 18.75%
Total WAR: 0.5
$/WAR: $59.2M

2019:
Gordon $13.3M
Kikuchi $9.5M
TOTAL: $22.8M
As % of Payroll: 15.56%
Total WAR: 0.7
$/WAR: $32.57M

2020:
Kikuchi $16M
Gordon $13.74M
Mallex Smith $2.35M
TOTAL: $32M
Short season

2021:
Kikuchi $16.5M
Paxton $8.5M
Montero $2.25M
TOTAL: $27.25M
As % of Payroll: 37.12%
Total WAR: 1.4
$/WAR: $19.46M

2022:
Frazier $8M
Winker $6.75M
Giles $5.25M
Romo $2M
White $1.4M
TOTAL: $23.4M
As % of Payroll: 22.52%
Total WAR: 0.9
$/WAR: $26M

From this group of players, over 6 years (covid pass for 2020), these players accumulated 6.2 WAR for a cost of $182.9M, good for a $/WAR cost of $29.5M

In a market where they estimate one WAR is worth ~$8M on the free agent market, Dipoto paid $29.5M/WAR for these bums.

And got a promotion.

Can add Ray, Wong and Pollock to the list of wasted dollars at this point...

With Teoscar Hernandez still trying to swing his way out of a wet paper bag... And Geno Suarez seems to be hitting like he did in Cincinnati...

At least Dipoto's consistent...

flawed
2023
JP 11M 5.1 WAR
Ford 0.1M 0.6 WAR
Castillo 11.4M 3.4WAR
Julio 6.2M 5.4 WAR

And each year I could do the same thing but why waste my time.

It's a look at how he's spent his free agent/trade dollars.

Nobody has a problem with the hundreds of minimum wage guys he brings in and throws at the wall to see what sticks, that's never been his issue. His issue is how he spends (wastes) the available payroll.

Castillo has turned out to be about the only player he's ever gotten a positive return from that wasnt a minimum wage pick up, and we still gave up a lot to get him so it's still not a clear win. JP should count too, but he was an average player up until his extension kicked in. His other best signing is probably Nori Aoki. Lol.

Go ahead and do it each year for the guys he's actually spent available payroll on. He's been trash at getting a return on payroll $.

Which, is, of course, the whole point of what I said- that they'd have likely been better off not letting him spend at all.