It is NOT driven by Analytics, They ALWAYS just base it solely on handedness. Analytics is designed to provide a plan to give you the highest probability of success. There no way in hell strictly PH Raley and Canzone in the 6th inning for shitty hitters that then have to hit Right on Right in the 8th or 9th does that. They could find a Baboon or a Chimp and train it for 20 minutes to decide to PH based solely on handedness.GL_Storm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:49 pmNo, he's saying there's an organizational plan about using platoon matchups and Wilson is sticking to that plan. Behind the scenes, Wilson could very well be arguing for a different approach. But right now, he's following what the organization wants to do, which is likely driven by analytics.DavidGee24 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:31 pmAnd there's more classic DB. We're talking about whether the team is managed the right way or the wrong way and your two cents is "That's the way he manages". No shit, Columbo. Good old DB providing us with the answers that everyone already knew to the questions that nobody asked.Donn Beach wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:24 pm
I'm not agreeing with it and it's not an argument. I'm saying its not about Wilson being over his head. All this stuff has been gone over before the game. They've decided to stick with their platoons. All these match-ups are planned for.
Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.
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They probably chuckle under their breaths whenever Dan trots out Joe or Ref for their 1 AB vs their left. lolDavidGee24 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:51 pmI've noticed that too about opposing managers bringing in lefties early to pitch to Raley and Canzone and wondering if they're thinking good, Wilson will take at least one of these guys out of the game right now. He is getting outmanaged, no doubt about that.
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Well we prob don't trade for Donavan if we signed him and he has been better but now of course he is hurt. Cursed.Michael K. wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 7:45 pmI know you guys all hate on RBI, but we wouldn't welcome Suarez with a .732 OPS, 3 Dingers and 11 RBI? Shit, the .256 average makes him a contact hitter in this lineup!Don't worry, the UW Dawhouse guy doesn't just blame Wilson. This sounds an awful lot like what I have been saying. You don't remove bats and add fewer and become a better team.
A common adage in sports and life suggests that availability is the best ability. The Seattle Mariners, hindered by various injuries, are compelled to start Leo Rivas daily, a situation no serious contender should face.
Rivas is currently batting .151 with an OPS of .500 as he starts daily. Furthermore, the Mariners are struggling against left-handed pitching, with Rob Refsnyder hitting .042 and posting an OPS of .315.
These issues would be mitigated had the Mariners retained Eugenio Suarez. Suarez was well-liked by most fans until a peculiar online segment turned on him in favor of Ben Williamson.
While Suarez does strike out frequently, critics overlook his remarkable durability and consistent ability to drive in 90+ runs annually.
Over the previous three years, Suarez has missed only 7 games, rendering him a reliable starter.
Since 2017, excluding the shortened COVID season, Suarez's lowest RBI total was 79, with 7 of those 8 seasons resulting in 80+ RBIs, 5 seasons with 90+ RBIs, and 4 seasons with 100+ RBIs.
The primary objective is to score runs, and Suarez excels in this regard.
The Mariners have also underestimated the intangible benefits Suarez brings to the team. It is no coincidence that the team failed to make the playoffs for over 20 years and then secured a postseason berth in Suarez's first year.
In 2023, they narrowly missed the playoffs, winning 88 games. Without Suarez, the team won only 85 games, and in 2025, their record was 57-52 when they traded for him. The Mariners finished 33-20 with Suarez compared to 44-41 with Williamson.
Currently, they are 10-14 without Suarez. At the time, I criticized the Mariners for allowing Suarez to leave for a one-year, $15 million deal.
This season, Suarez has played in every game, batting .256 with an OPS of .732, 3 home runs, and 11 RBIs.
The Mariners could have still acquired Brendan Donovan and utilized him as a super utility player.
Instead, they are starting Rivas and giving crucial at-bats to Refsnyder.
While owner John Stanton has saved money, the team is now plagued by a flawed roster that could have been avoided. #seattle #fblifestyle #mariners
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But if they get rid of Wilson what other nostalgia-based choices are there? I don't think Edgar wants it. Ichiro, but he'd need a translator.
How about Bucky Jacobsen? Dude seems like a great manager. He's big and cool.
I ordered a Chinese made Jacobsen Steelhead jersey. I can't wait to wear it at a game.
How about Bucky Jacobsen? Dude seems like a great manager. He's big and cool.
I ordered a Chinese made Jacobsen Steelhead jersey. I can't wait to wear it at a game.
She/Him/This/That/Salami/Donut
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I grilled Fresh Steelhead on the BBQ last night. So good.Millikin wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 8:46 pmBut if they get rid of Wilson what other nostalgia-based choices are there? I don't think Edgar wants it. Ichiro, but he'd need a translator.
How about Bucky Jacobsen? Dude seems like a great manager. He's big and cool.
I ordered a Chinese made Jacobsen Steelhead jersey. I can't wait to wear it at a game.
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Re: Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.
I call it analytical because it's based on large sample sizes as opposed to going with your gut in game situationsD-train wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 7:50 pmIt is NOT driven by Analytics, They ALWAYS just base it solely on handedness. Analytics is designed to provide a plan to give you the highest probability of success. There no way in hell strictly PH Raley and Canzone in the 6th inning for shitty hitters that then have to hit Right on Right in the 8th or 9th does that. They could find a Baboon or a Chimp and train it for 20 minutes to decide to PH based solely on handedness.GL_Storm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:49 pmNo, he's saying there's an organizational plan about using platoon matchups and Wilson is sticking to that plan. Behind the scenes, Wilson could very well be arguing for a different approach. But right now, he's following what the organization wants to do, which is likely driven by analytics.DavidGee24 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:31 pm
And there's more classic DB. We're talking about whether the team is managed the right way or the wrong way and your two cents is "That's the way he manages". No shit, Columbo. Good old DB providing us with the answers that everyone already knew to the questions that nobody asked.
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Re: Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.
Inept owner, inept GM, inept manager. what else am I missing. Oh yeah, inept lineup. Again hard to do anything when your higher ups have you by the balls.
Re: Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.
It's pessimistic to think, but we've had so many goys start out hot, only to be injured and turn into a pumpkin when they return.D-train wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 7:54 pmWell we prob don't trade for Donavan if we signed him and he has been better but now of course he is hurt. Cursed.Michael K. wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 7:45 pmI know you guys all hate on RBI, but we wouldn't welcome Suarez with a .732 OPS, 3 Dingers and 11 RBI? Shit, the .256 average makes him a contact hitter in this lineup!Don't worry, the UW Dawhouse guy doesn't just blame Wilson. This sounds an awful lot like what I have been saying. You don't remove bats and add fewer and become a better team.
A common adage in sports and life suggests that availability is the best ability. The Seattle Mariners, hindered by various injuries, are compelled to start Leo Rivas daily, a situation no serious contender should face.
Rivas is currently batting .151 with an OPS of .500 as he starts daily. Furthermore, the Mariners are struggling against left-handed pitching, with Rob Refsnyder hitting .042 and posting an OPS of .315.
These issues would be mitigated had the Mariners retained Eugenio Suarez. Suarez was well-liked by most fans until a peculiar online segment turned on him in favor of Ben Williamson.
While Suarez does strike out frequently, critics overlook his remarkable durability and consistent ability to drive in 90+ runs annually.
Over the previous three years, Suarez has missed only 7 games, rendering him a reliable starter.
Since 2017, excluding the shortened COVID season, Suarez's lowest RBI total was 79, with 7 of those 8 seasons resulting in 80+ RBIs, 5 seasons with 90+ RBIs, and 4 seasons with 100+ RBIs.
The primary objective is to score runs, and Suarez excels in this regard.
The Mariners have also underestimated the intangible benefits Suarez brings to the team. It is no coincidence that the team failed to make the playoffs for over 20 years and then secured a postseason berth in Suarez's first year.
In 2023, they narrowly missed the playoffs, winning 88 games. Without Suarez, the team won only 85 games, and in 2025, their record was 57-52 when they traded for him. The Mariners finished 33-20 with Suarez compared to 44-41 with Williamson.
Currently, they are 10-14 without Suarez. At the time, I criticized the Mariners for allowing Suarez to leave for a one-year, $15 million deal.
This season, Suarez has played in every game, batting .256 with an OPS of .732, 3 home runs, and 11 RBIs.
The Mariners could have still acquired Brendan Donovan and utilized him as a super utility player.
Instead, they are starting Rivas and giving crucial at-bats to Refsnyder.
While owner John Stanton has saved money, the team is now plagued by a flawed roster that could have been avoided. #seattle #fblifestyle #mariners
Donovan actually defied odds by starting the season on fire so hopefully he can buck that trend also.