Not signed. Traded for.Donn Beach wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:23 pmYou don't think Teo was an above average hitter when they signed him? The guy has won a pair of silver sluggers. I was pretty happy with that signing.
Yep, they replaced those 2, lost Winker (while not great, he still managed to hit a little and get on base, and was at least an average hitter, better than Teo is now) and Santana (didn’t hit a lot, but was at least clutch).Gametime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:46 amArguing wong and teo vs Hanniger and Frazier is pretty bad. Really a wash. No real money spent this off season
This team has two things going against it. An owner who loves profit and not winning. And Dipoto wants everybody to think how great and creative he is over everybody else. Then we wonder why we are basically the same.
It is what it is. The Mariner way.
Sure they should have, but I did expect better performances from Wong and Pollock. It would be disingenuous of me to sit around ranting about how stupid they were. And what if they had added another bat? Does that really change the trajectory very much? Would that have made them division contenders? Go on and on about how they needed to add a DH, but what would that had done, given them an additional two wins at this point? And that's being generous
Even when healthy he has sucked since the end of 2021. The one smart thing they did in the off season was not matching the Giants offer.Pharmabro wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:37 pmIn fairness Haniger was good when healthy but he has became the Paxton of position players.Juliooooo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:29 pmIt was a lateral move after losing Haniger. That I was fine with, but they had a giant hole a LF and DH and said “who gives a fuck, let’s let a bunch of guys that historically hit about .200 take those spots.” Fortunately for them Kelenic figured it out, but they could have easily found a few more players that’s can hit and didn’t.
Better chance that Trump, Biden and Mother Theresa are on this roster next season than Ohtani. Yeah I know that MT is dead.Pharmabro wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:39 amI have started making this thread a couple of times. Ohtani would make a statement of a committment to win by this organization. But as far as position players he is the only legit MVP candidate among the bunch.D-train wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:17 pmDeadline is almost two months away but Jerry might feel the pressure and desperation to bust a move for a bat early like he did with Santana last season.
Here are some ideas:
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1758288/ ... they-need/
The #2 bat is Chapman and he has started hot and overall has a 137 OPS+ but has a .585 OPS over the last 28 days.
#3 Lee KBO MVP OF
#4 Rhys Hoskins, Joc P., Teo, Hunter
You know signing Ohtani gives you a depth chart something like:
Ohtani
Castillo
Kirby
Ray
Gilbert
Depth
6. Miller, Marco, Woo, Hancock and if you packaged some of that depth up we could find a good hitting
2B on the trade market possible fits
(age 28)Ian Happ owed 3/60M 113 OPS+ career Cubs
age 27 Ha-Seong Kim 109 OPS+
age 26 India Reds 109 OPS+
age 29 SS Paul Dejong 125 OPS+ but really was bad for a number of years
You realize that is a massive indictment on the rebuild in its 5th season not an excuse for not getting another bat right?Donn Beach wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:14 amSure they should have, but I did expect better performances from Wong and Pollock. It would be disingenuous of me to sit around ranting about how stupid they were. And what if they had added another bat? Does that really change the trajectory very much? Would that have made them division contenders? Go on and on about how they needed to add a DH, but what would that had done, given them an additional two wins at this point? And that's being generous
They probably would have win 2-3 more games at this point, and would have protected the young players better. Plenty of us said before the season that mariners needed to get 2 more guys, because Kelenic was far from a sure thing, Pollock was , injuries happen, and some players are going to have down years. They left themselves no margin for error offensivelyDonn Beach wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:14 amSure they should have, but I did expect better performances from Wong and Pollock. It would be disingenuous of me to sit around ranting about how stupid they were. And what if they had added another bat? Does that really change the trajectory very much? Would that have made them division contenders? Go on and on about how they needed to add a DH, but what would that had done, given them an additional two wins at this point? And that's being generous
Right, assumed an identical year from Geno, improvement from JP and Cal, Julio not having a sophomore slump, Teo and Wong not getting T Mobiled even though it happened both Winker and Frazier right before their eyes last season. And the DH shit show to somehow produce.Juliooooo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:53 pmThey probably would have win 2-3 more games at this point, and would have protected the young players better. Plenty of us said before the season that mariners needed to get 2 more guys, because Kelenic was far from a sure thing, Pollock was , injuries happen, and some players are going to have down years. They left themselves no margin for error offensivelyDonn Beach wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:14 amSure they should have, but I did expect better performances from Wong and Pollock. It would be disingenuous of me to sit around ranting about how stupid they were. And what if they had added another bat? Does that really change the trajectory very much? Would that have made them division contenders? Go on and on about how they needed to add a DH, but what would that had done, given them an additional two wins at this point? And that's being generous
