GT Brother, can you spare a win? 8/8

[D-train]

The Mets have lost 7 out of 8, so you all think the Graveman trade has affected them or was it Javier bringing the Cub curse with him

This has to qualify as the dumbest post I've ever read on any sport board anywhere, and that's saying something.

It was obviously sarcasm but even if it wasn't it wouldn't be much dumber than thinking we were losing games because we no longer have our spiritual and inspirational leader on the team.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I was looking at the advanced stats and, oddly, while Toro's average exit velocity has remained virtually the same, his hard-hit ball rate (balls hit 95 mph or greater) has gone from 30.3% to 38.9%. And, even weirder, his GB to FB ratio has flipflopped from 1.38 with Houston this year to 0.63 with Seattle.

He is taking full advantage of the opportunity.... maybe all he needed was a nudge

Just needed to be on a team with better chemistry.

So being on a team where he could play almost every day caused him to hit better? Sounds like an argument for emotional factors. Heck, maybe one of the M's coaches told him he needed to elevate the ball more and voila!

[D-train]

He is taking full advantage of the opportunity.... maybe all he needed was a nudge

Just needed to be on a team with better chemistry.

So being on a team where he could play almost every day caused him to hit better? Sounds like an argument for emotional factors. Heck, maybe one of the M's coaches told him he needed to elevate the ball more and voila!

Playing every day gives you more and consistent in game reps. Obvious physical dynamic to that. Vastly different than not playing well because you have a case of the Monday's every day be cause your BFF isn't on the team any more.

If you want to say that Graveman would have been better in high leverage situations than Castillo, I am happy to concede that, I am just not buying the chemistry nonsense.

[Donn Beach]

See how he holds up but it does say something to their scouting. Look past all that poor performance, focus on the potential. Dipoto has some guys doing their job, scouting and evaluation

[Michael K.]

The Mets have lost 7 out of 8, so you all think the Graveman trade has affected them or was it Javier bringing the Cub curse with him

This has to qualify as the dumbest post I've ever read on any sport board anywhere, and that's saying something.

It was obviously sarcasm but even if it wasn't it wouldn't be much dumber than thinking we were losing games because we no longer have our spiritual and inspirational leader on the team.

No, no, a thousand times NO! Dude, they were PISSED because they felt like the club gave up. AGAIN. They traded a guy contributing for a young guy batting ,200. The trade was for the future, the organization again made a move not giving a shit about right now. How hard is this to figure out? If you were a player on this team the past couple seasons and new you had an actual shot to at least play a WC game, but also knew the team didn’t give a fuck if you made the WC or not, and then your team team just that, made a move not giving a fuck?

The players fucking said “this team doesn’t care about winning and never has”. Those that think a bunch of listed off employees make for a great workplace environment are fooling themselves. The clubhouse was a shit show. Funny, we can talk about culture and clubhouse cancers, blah blah, but when something like this happens? Nope, zero effect. They are now winning 33% percent of their games. That is not as good as before, right?

It wasn’t because Graveman would have spread magic positive energy dust around, it was because the rest of them were pushed as shit, and rightly so. But keep on believing human emotions have no part in a sporting event played by humans. Just remember that the next seventy times this year someone mentions clubhouse or locker room culture, or the next time you say we don’t need someone because they would be bad for the locker room. I mean, bring In Kaepernick, bring in Bauer...why not? Culture doesn’t matter. The players will just get over it...distractions can’t possibly effect performance.

We spend pages and pages discussing why second and goal ruined the Seahawks, but baseball players are robots. It’s the same thing. The players felt cheated because they felt the organization wanted Russ to be MVP and not Lynch. This group feels like if you play in 2020 or 2021 you don’t matter. They don’t care about winning, never have. It fucked up the clubhouse. But, yeah, I have been saying it is because Graveman wasn’t there to pick them up. Fuck man, come on.

[D-train]

Yeah I can actually see it in football which is about intensity, passion and max effort. Apples to Orangutans comparison imo. There is a reason that baseball players don't do this before a game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qebrcg-nhoU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDUmVprZ43M

Its pointless to argue about it because one side will never convince the other and neither can prove it because we don't have access to the alt. universe in which Graveman wasn't traded.

[D-train]

Seager seems to be over it...

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Just needed to be on a team with better chemistry.

So being on a team where he could play almost every day caused him to hit better? Sounds like an argument for emotional factors. Heck, maybe one of the M's coaches told him he needed to elevate the ball more and voila!

Playing every day gives you more and consistent in game reps. Obvious physical dynamic to that. Vastly different than not playing well because you have a case of the Monday's every day be cause your BFF isn't on the team any more.

If you want to say that Graveman would have been better in high leverage situations than Castillo, I am happy to concede that, I am just not buying the chemistry nonsense.

But Castillo was hitting better from day one. That had nothing to do with reps.

[D-train]

Yeah maybe head feeds off bad clubhouse chemistry. Who knows.

[Michael K.]

Call it chemistry, moral, call it what you want. Imagine playing on this team in 2020 and 2021? Knowing you could probably make the playoffs, but also knowing that isn’t even close to the goal, the organization doesn’t fucking care if you do, and they will actually make moves for the next year or two before they make one fo now.

I swear, this makes no fucking sense. Football, baseball, basketball...who fucking cares. You people act like you have never heard of positive or negative culture winning out. This group of players knows the organization cares more about the farm and team control than winning this year. Zero chance those emotions didn’t effect in field play. Zero.