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[D-train]

[Captain 97]

Do you guys think the fans will be mad about Kelenic having a few good seasons down the road?

Or will they just forget about it like they forget about Dipoto giving Pablo Lopez away for the great David Phelps....

If they develop hitters like they have pitchers, it will be an afterthought. Not going to hold my breath on that one though. They have the guys in the minors with 5-6 top 100 type prospects, and a few knocking on the door.

They can use free agency and trades to improve corner outfield also.

If Dipoto does his job for once, it shouldn't matter what happens with Kelenic, we don't need him in LF 4 years from now, and Raley adequately filled his hole (figuratively) this season.

As usual, the weakest parts of the team were the players Dipoto spent his available payroll on.

Raley 9 home runs 69 K's 118 OPS+
Kelenic 9 home runs 69 k's 118 OPS+

Screenshot 2024-07-01 at 09-22-01 Luke Raley (2024-2024) vs. Jarred Kelenic (2024-2024) Head-to-Head Stats Comparison Stathead.com.png (151.42 KiB) Viewed 85 times

[Sports Hernia]

Could had Kelenic and Raley and dumped one of the Mitches.

[Seattle or Bust]

A question about Kelenic that doesn't really get asked...

What does it say that Kelenic is having more success in Atlanta?

I personally think it's offensive philosophy. I think the M's view hitting through a lens of utter lunacy. The fact that so many players come here and can't hit. The fact that so many hitters leave here and do hit... the proof is in the pudding.

Whatever they are doing in the batting cages, in meeting rooms, in preparation... it just doesn't work.

[GL_Storm]

A question about Kelenic that doesn't really get asked...

What does it say that Kelenic is having more success in Atlanta?

I personally think it's offensive philosophy. I think the M's view hitting through a lens of utter lunacy. The fact that so many players come here and can't hit. The fact that so many hitters leave here and do hit... the proof is in the pudding.

Whatever they are doing in the batting cages, in meeting rooms, in preparation... it just doesn't work.

Yes, there's something wrong. There's something about the park as well and my hunch is it's the batter's eye, though obviously that isn't something I can prove. But at the organizational level, there's something wrong in how they think about the hitting aspect of the game. I think when it comes to pitching, there's alignment up and down the organization which has been helped with advanced analytics. But that doesn't exist with hitting. Now, to be fair, I don't know that any organization in baseball has really cracked the code on the hitting side. But I'm willing to believe it's worse here than it is in other orgs.

[Seattle or Bust]

2024 Mariners:



2023 Mike Ford:



Would be no. 1 in OBP, slug, homers, 2nd in RBI's in essentially the same amount of games and they didn't want him around

God this organization.

[Pharmabro]

A question about Kelenic that doesn't really get asked...

What does it say that Kelenic is having more success in Atlanta?

I personally think it's offensive philosophy. I think the M's view hitting through a lens of utter lunacy. The fact that so many players come here and can't hit. The fact that so many hitters leave here and do hit... the proof is in the pudding.

Whatever they are doing in the batting cages, in meeting rooms, in preparation... it just doesn't work.

Not at all. Mitch Haniger is who we had to take to get rid of that empty 23M + 2X 25M we owed Robbie Ray.
JK got rid of White's 17M over 2 years min. and Marco G 12.25M who had 3 starts of 2.65 ERA before going to the IL.

Philos: I think it is having guys with egos have to hit in a home park that is the most suppressive to offense in all of baseball bt a wide margin. Beltre, Wong, Jessie Winker was an 129 OPS+ guy his 5 years in Redleg land we trade for him and he manages to walk his way to a 100 OPS+ 2024 what would you guess? That is right a 129 OPS+
Beltre was #2 in MVP voting with a 163 OPS+ with 48 Bombs the year before in LAD. In 5 years in Seattle he was a 101 OPS+ guy in his "prime" ages 26-30 his best year was a 112 OPS+ and his worst was an 83 OPS+. Age 31 in Boston he raked for a 141 OPS+ and the next 9 years he averaged a 130 OPS+. Beltre had 93.5 WAR and was a 1st ballot HOFer.

I am going to say this again. It is not the coaching, it is by far the worst hitting home park that fucks with these guys heads and destroys their confidence.

Pitching on the other hand, it helps our pitching. Look at the starting pitching we have developed. Look at the BP arms we have developed.

[Donn Beach]

2024 Mariners:



2023 Mike Ford:



Would be no. 1 in OBP, slug, homers, 2nd in RBI's in essentially the same amount of games and they didn't want him around

God this organization.

2024
.150 /.177 /.233/ .411 with a OPS+ of 15

[Pharmabro]

I had actually planned to touch on our BP decision. I still have no fucking clue why we had to DFA and then trade Tyson Miller.
The 6'5" 220 RHP with extremely good WHIP? He had a great WHIP of 0.771 in 11+ innings in the season and had a 0 ERA in preseason. In Chicago he has got better 0.623 FIP and a 277 ERA+ in 17 &2/3rd IP.

[bpj]

2024 Mariners:



2023 Mike Ford:



Would be no. 1 in OBP, slug, homers, 2nd in RBI's in essentially the same amount of games and they didn't want him around

God this organization.

2024
.150 /.177 /.233/ .411 with a OPS+ of 15

Never know how it would have turned out if they had just told Ford he was our DH, given him a normal preseason to prepare as a returner, without being sent to AAA, without spending a week off after opting out of his contract (May 1) and being brought back and up to the Reds (May 8th).