Boom! Astros get ASS JAMMED by MLB

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Post by D-train » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:55 am

Its also easy to argue the Saints situation was much worse given they were incentivizing guys to injure other players. Who does that outside of the mafia?
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Post by Donn Beach » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:57 am

Because Manfred did not implicate Hinch as an instigator of the schemes, the suspension shouldn't make other teams shy away from hiring him. He's respected in the game and will be a heck of managerial free agent.
wonder about Luhnow, i will guess he gets back in baseball but not as a GM...

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Post by D-train » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:16 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:57 am
Because Manfred did not implicate Hinch as an instigator of the schemes, the suspension shouldn't make other teams shy away from hiring him. He's respected in the game and will be a heck of managerial free agent.
wonder about Luhnow, i will guess he gets back in baseball but not as a GM...
why? I think it will be a forgive and forget situation for a desperate franchise like the Os or us if JD goes down in flames.
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Re: Boom! Astros get ASS JAMMED by MLB

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:39 am

problem is he needs Jeff Luhnow to give him a job but Jeff is suspended. I think generally teams are more sensitive about their image than the Astros had been. I see him being hired as a consultant or something, a FO position, but i am guessing not one of authority. I think i be surprised if some owner, right of the bat, handed him the keys to the club, we shall see...

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Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:39 am
problem is he needs Jeff Luhnow to give him a job but Jeff is suspended. I think generally teams are more sensitive about their image than the Astros had been. I see him being hired as a consultant or something, a FO position, but i am guessing not one of authority. I think i be surprised if some owner, right of the bat, handed him the keys to the club, we shall see...
Yeah maybe so and Jeff has culture issue as well as related to the DV dust up with his henchman and Osuna.
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Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:29 am

Has anyone attempted to assess or calculate the effect of this sign-stealing scheme in terms of wins?

How did this thing drag on for years? Shouldn't MLB have stepped in the first time the garbage can banging occurred?

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Post by Hanjag » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:59 am

their next two 1st and 2nd round picks.
5 Million
GM and manager out for the year and then the Astros fire them so,,,.

This could be good but if they just take the number two guy behind JL maybe they keep all the advanced approach stuff.

I do think this will help.

LAA has added some stuff like Rendon (6.3WAR), Joe Madden, Jason Castro, Dylan Bundy (2.3 WAR), Julio Teheran(2.4 WAR),

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Post by Hy Feiber » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:40 am

Hanjag wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:59 am
their next two 1st and 2nd round picks.
5 Million
GM and manager out for the year and then the Astros fire them so,,,.

This could be good but if they just take the number two guy behind JL maybe they keep all the advanced approach stuff.

I do think this will help.

LAA has added some stuff like Rendon (6.3WAR), Joe Madden, Jason Castro, Dylan Bundy (2.3 WAR), Julio Teheran(2.4 WAR),
I could see the Angels winning say, 87 games.
Vastly improved.

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Re: Boom! Astros get ASS JAMMED by MLB

Post by Bil522 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:04 am

Hy Feiber wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:40 am
Hanjag wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:59 am
their next two 1st and 2nd round picks.
5 Million
GM and manager out for the year and then the Astros fire them so,,,.

This could be good but if they just take the number two guy behind JL maybe they keep all the advanced approach stuff.

I do think this will help.

LAA has added some stuff like Rendon (6.3WAR), Joe Madden, Jason Castro, Dylan Bundy (2.3 WAR), Julio Teheran(2.4 WAR),
I could see the Angels winning say, 87 games.
Vastly improved.
They have about the same bullpen as the Mariners currently have and with only Bundy and Teheran as decent starters their starters aren't much better.

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Re: Boom! Astros get ASS JAMMED by MLB

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:04 pm

and Renden, Ohtani and Trout don't amount to much

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