Offseason Plans

[SeattleSportsRUs]

You know the M's aren't trading Kelenic . Not after he hung a .854 OPS in September. And he did that with still just a .275 BABIP - for reference Ty France only had a BABIP under .286 one month this season. When Kelenic gets his BABIP around .300 he's going to be nuts.

But you can exchange JK with Marte if you want it to be more realistic.

There is no way that Marte, Hancock and Toro brings back Ramirez. Your talking about a guy with an .825 OPS in A ball, A pitcher who threw about 10 innings before he had to be shut down with arm issues and a poor fielding infielder with a .657 career OPS over 3 partial seasons in the Bigs. Any conversation that doesn't involve J-Rod will get you no where in a Ramirez trade.

Marte is the no. 11 prospect in all of baseball at age 19, Hancock is no. 34 and had a great first pro year. That package would easily be enough - especially considering JRam carries a $26 million price tag. It's not like we're trading for some dude who still has 6 years of control.

[D-train]

You know the M's aren't trading Kelenic . Not after he hung a .854 OPS in September. And he did that with still just a .275 BABIP - for reference Ty France only had a BABIP under .286 one month this season. When Kelenic gets his BABIP around .300 he's going to be nuts.

But you can exchange JK with Marte if you want it to be more realistic.

There is no way that Marte, Hancock and Toro brings back Ramirez. Your talking about a guy with an .825 OPS in A ball, A pitcher who threw about 10 innings before he had to be shut down with arm issues and a poor fielding infielder with a .657 career OPS over 3 partial seasons in the Bigs. Any conversation that doesn't involve J-Rod will get you no where in a Ramirez trade.

Based on this you wouldn't even need to add Toro or Hancock. Marte would almost be enough alone.

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[Donn Beach]

yeah, a team making a trade like that is going to want at least a possible replacement in return, they are not going to be looking at some sort of collection of players, the centerpiece needs to be a future replacement, its going to be Jrod to get talks going

[D-train]

With that trade for 2 years of JRam who isn't exactly cheap for the Indians you get a 3B place holder in Toro, the future franchise 3B in Marte and a SP who was a first round top 10 pick 15 months ago. No brainer for them.

[D-train]

yeah, a team making a trade like that is going to want at least a possible replacement in return, they are not going to be looking at some sort of collection of players, the centerpiece needs to be a future replacement, its going to be Jrod to get talks going

Lol JRam is a 3B. Marte is projected to be a 3B. JRod is an OFer.

[Captain 97]

I sorta doubt the A's would trade Matt Olson now. He's going to make somewhere around $11 million next year which they can totally afford and he's under team control for another year after that. They have to believe 2022 is likely the last year they have to seriously contend and they're going to go for it before selling it all off in 2023.

The A's went for it this year. They picked up players at the deadline because they knew this was going to be their best shot.
They are losing Marte, Canha, Gomes, Petit, Romo, Lowrie, Moreland, Harrison, Fiers and Davis to Free agency. They have no ability to replace those guys in free agency because the guys that they have left are getting expensive. Olson, Chapman, Manaea, Bassitt, Laureano, Montas, Trivino, Pinder, Kemp, and Guerra are all in arbitration and they are predicted to get around 60 Million combined for the coming season. Add that to the 25 Million that they owe to Andrus, Piscotty and Diekman and the payroll will be about the same as it was this year before they even look at replacing those free agent losses. I don't think there is any way they compete in the next couple of years and they know it. I think they will blow it all up and do another of their rebuilds.

The A's were arguably just as good a team if not better before they traded for Marte, Harrison and Gomes. They had a lot of injuries that hamstringed them going into their playoff run. Moreland had a .701 OPS, Gomes .631, Lowrie .717 and Davis was a late addition after the Rangers dropped him. Sergio Romo is 400 years old, Petit throws 90 MPH. Fiers pitched 2 games for them in 2021 with an ERA above 7 and he was a dumpster dive addition when they grabbed him.

Olson, Chapman, Manaea, Bassitt, Laureano, Montas, Trivino, Pinder, Kemp, and Guerra is still a great, young core and the A's will dumpster dive yet again to compete. There's no reason to think they wont - they always land guys nobody want who then turn around and overperform.

So you think they are just going to replace 10 guys by bringing up players from AAA or giving out minimum salary deals and be able to have a better record than they did this year?
They have the 26th rated farm system in baseball. They have no one to call up.
Unless they wan't to increase their payroll to the 100 milion range (which they have never done) they have no money to spend even on 3-4 million dollar type guys. I just don't see how its possible.
I think they will do what they have done consistently for this entire century and restock their farm system through trades.

[Captain 97]

yeah, a team making a trade like that is going to want at least a possible replacement in return, they are not going to be looking at some sort of collection of players, the centerpiece needs to be a future replacement, its going to be Jrod to get talks going

Lol JRam is a 3B. Marte is projected to be a 3B. JRod is an OFer.

I am pretty sure he meant a replacement as far as a face of the franchise player

[Captain 97]

With that trade for 2 years of JRam who isn't exactly cheap for the Indians you get a 3B place holder in Toro, the future franchise 3B in Marte and a SP who was a first round top 10 pick 15 months ago. No brainer for them.

He will get 12 million and 14 million for the next two seasons how is that not cheap for a 6.7 WAR player?
I think your delusional and if you make that offer you get laughed out of the building.

[Captain 97]

But you can exchange JK with Marte if you want it to be more realistic.

There is no way that Marte, Hancock and Toro brings back Ramirez. Your talking about a guy with an .825 OPS in A ball, A pitcher who threw about 10 innings before he had to be shut down with arm issues and a poor fielding infielder with a .657 career OPS over 3 partial seasons in the Bigs. Any conversation that doesn't involve J-Rod will get you no where in a Ramirez trade.

Marte is the no. 11 prospect in all of baseball at age 19, Hancock is no. 34 and had a great first pro year. That package would easily be enough - especially considering JRam carries a $26 million price tag. It's not like we're trading for some dude who still has 6 years of control.

He averaged 3-2/3 innings per start and got shut down after just 44 innings. That is not a great year.

[D-train]

With that trade for 2 years of JRam who isn't exactly cheap for the Indians you get a 3B place holder in Toro, the future franchise 3B in Marte and a SP who was a first round top 10 pick 15 months ago. No brainer for them.

He will get 12 million and 14 million for the next two seasons how is that not cheap for a 6.7 WAR player?
I think your delusional and if you make that offer you get laughed out of the building.

Well the #1 trade values website says I am over paying and guy on the internet says I'm underpaying so that makes me think I am close.