Stanton on Free Agency

[Donn Beach]

Particularly the Mets, all the talk about them going into rebuild mode, The Mets aren't going to rebuild anymore than the Yankees rebuild. They are going to reload.

It's interesting to me to me to dig into the concept of rebuilding. Fans have been conditioned to accept seasons of slashed payrolls and losing for a blessing of wins in the future someday. I think a lot of it is pretty much a scam MLB has been able to sell fans to keep their payrolls down. The mariners used it effectively

Not only that they lied about using the savings to go all in once they were ready. Complete fucking lie. Seems kind of greedy too.

You mean like the lookout landing article? It was interesting when it came out but really there wasn't much to it, an unnamed source claims the mariners will spend lots of money someday in the future. I don't see it as them lying. but it's been disappointing.

Their franchise as a business, and I think they run it conservatively and without imagination, but I don't see it as greed. I don't think owners are taking profits to augment their personal lifestyles. I do think there's a reluctance to invest aggressively in players as a business strategy. It could be interesting to sit down with Stanton and challenge their approach as opposed to the padres. Again, I don't see it as greed. The padres approach was about making money. It was seen as a good way to grow the business. I don't think it was greed vs non greed

[Donn Beach]

Particularly the Mets, all the talk about them going into rebuild mode, The Mets aren't going to rebuild anymore than the Yankees rebuild. They are going to reload.

It's interesting to me to me to dig into the concept of rebuilding. Fans have been conditioned to accept seasons of slashed payrolls and losing for a blessing of wins in the future someday. I think a lot of it is pretty much a scam MLB has been able to sell fans to keep their payrolls down. The mariners used it effectively

Terms of that? The players union would call it greedy. But then fans think the players are greedy. I don't know, it's a fight over the pie. I think owners have generally been successful getting fans on their side.

[D-train]

Particularly the Mets, all the talk about them going into rebuild mode, The Mets aren't going to rebuild anymore than the Yankees rebuild. They are going to reload.

It's interesting to me to me to dig into the concept of rebuilding. Fans have been conditioned to accept seasons of slashed payrolls and losing for a blessing of wins in the future someday. I think a lot of it is pretty much a scam MLB has been able to sell fans to keep their payrolls down. The mariners used it effectively

Not only that they lied about using the savings to go all in once they were ready. Complete fucking lie. Seems kind of greedy too.

You mean like the lookout landing article? It was interesting when it came out but really there wasn't much to it, an unnamed source claims the mariners will spend lots of money someday in the future. I don't see it as them lying. but it's been disappointing.

Their franchise as a business, and I think they run it conservatively and without imagination, but I don't see it as greed. I don't think owners are taking profits to augment their personal lifestyles. I do think there's a reluctance to invest aggressively in players as a business strategy. It could be interesting to sit down with Stanton and challenge their approach as opposed to the padres. Again, I don't see it as greed. The padres approach was about making money. It was seen as a good way to grow the business. I don't think it was greed vs non greed

It is greed because while they probably see increasing payroll providing some sort of return, they don't see it being worth the risk because the ROI isn't as high as investing money outside of the team be it in their other businesses or new investment opportunities. They ignore the public trust aspect of it with the free stadium and commitment to the fanbase dying for a WS because they car more about maximizing their net worth than anything else. That is the very definition of greed.

[bpj]

The biggest sham of it all is that there were a couple years when the free agents were relatively cheap.

But the team "wasn't ready" yet. They'd had to "reassess" because of the covid years...

That was one of the frustrating things about this team is the players were fighting for wins a few years ago and keeping the race close, meanwhile Dipoto and Servais were clearly fighting for the better draft pick at the time.

[D-train]

The biggest sham of it all is that there were a couple years when the free agents were relatively cheap.

But the team "wasn't ready" yet. They'd had to "reassess" because of the covid years...

That was one of the frustrating things about this team is the players were fighting for wins a few years ago and keeping the race close, meanwhile Dipoto and Servais were clearly fighting for the better draft pick at the time.

Of all the things that Mather said, the one he said they may have been most telling was when he was explaining how the team did financially during the Covid season. He said, "Better than Most.....Better than Most" He took such great pride in that and it was probably then that they had the revelation that lower payrolls were a lot less risky and didn't have significant impact on Revenues. That and increasing revenues by not allowing employees to park in the parking garage.

[Donn Beach]

Not only that they lied about using the savings to go all in once they were ready. Complete fucking lie. Seems kind of greedy too.

You mean like the lookout landing article? It was interesting when it came out but really there wasn't much to it, an unnamed source claims the mariners will spend lots of money someday in the future. I don't see it as them lying. but it's been disappointing.

Their franchise as a business, and I think they run it conservatively and without imagination, but I don't see it as greed. I don't think owners are taking profits to augment their personal lifestyles. I do think there's a reluctance to invest aggressively in players as a business strategy. It could be interesting to sit down with Stanton and challenge their approach as opposed to the padres. Again, I don't see it as greed. The padres approach was about making money. It was seen as a good way to grow the business. I don't think it was greed vs non greed

It is greed because while they probably see increasing payroll providing some sort of return, they don't see it being worth the risk because the ROI isn't as high as investing money outside of the team be it in their other businesses or new investment opportunities. They ignore the public trust aspect of it with the free stadium and commitment to the fanbase dying for a WS because they car more about maximizing their net worth than anything else. That is the very definition of greed.

Huh, that hadn't occured to me. I don't think they are investing outside the franchise. I think it's their stadium improvements and whatever, but who knows. Brought that up before, how you dislike that sort of thing, I think that's where that decision is made. They'd rather invest in a new stadium restaurant than players, figured they were risk adverse to player contracts.

[D-train]

It is because they have run ROI analysis and they have determined that investing in the stadium and restaurants has a higher return than payroll and if they can just keep the team "competitive attendance will be good enough....They are ghouls.