Lookout Landing on the trade deadline

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Re: Lookout Landing on the trade deadline

Post by D-train » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:37 pm

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Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:32 pm
Moore needs to turn it around if he's starting anywhere next year. He's not cutting the mustard this year. I expected possibly a little bit of a regression from last year, but nothing like this.
Yep is a a perfect UT not a starter. Sign Semien and or Bryant.
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Re: Lookout Landing on the trade deadline

Post by Juliooooo » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:40 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:37 pm
Juliooooo wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:32 pm
Moore needs to turn it around if he's starting anywhere next year. He's not cutting the mustard this year. I expected possibly a little bit of a regression from last year, but nothing like this.
Yep is a a perfect UT not a starter. Sign Semien and or Bryant.
Could use 3 infielders where France can rotate and play some DH, but they will probably add 1 at most.

Moore needs to get back above the Mendoza line if he wants to be utility.
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Re: Lookout Landing on the trade deadline

Post by D-train » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:43 pm

Juliooooo wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:40 pm
D-train wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:37 pm
Juliooooo wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:32 pm
Moore needs to turn it around if he's starting anywhere next year. He's not cutting the mustard this year. I expected possibly a little bit of a regression from last year, but nothing like this.
Yep is a a perfect UT not a starter. Sign Semien and or Bryant.
Could use 3 infielders where France can rotate and play some DH, but they will probably add 1 at most.

Moore needs to get back above the Mendoza line if he wants to be utility.
He was at .237/.781 from late April until the end of June but the recent slump was a major setback.
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Re: Lookout Landing on the trade deadline

Post by bpj » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:51 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:21 pm
IStillLoveTheMs wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:15 pm
bpj wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:01 pm
Ill take a bat-first player at every position. His OPS is already better than Seager by a good margin. Far more runs created by his bat than his glove would cost compared to Seager or Moore.

If they can add a Kris Bryant, by all means, do it.

But France is our best current option. All depends where they choose to spend their $'s.

1B/DH will be much cheaper as always.
If France can jump his production to .280/.370/.450/.820 w. 25-30 dingers then I'd be fine w. him playing 3B in a "bat-first" position like you're mentioning.

But .264/.348/.419/.767 isn't cutting it.

Seager is a far better defensive 3B and his career OPS is .764... reducing drastically as it seems he's leaving his prime.
TOTALLY AGREE he needs to get the OPS over .800 even with his amazing D at 1B. :)

He was at .850 in April, .510 in May when he was injured, .867 in June and is hitting .308 this month but only 1 x base hit so .691 OPS.

He is an .800+ bat long term imo.
I agree, France needs to pick it up also, but he's holding his own this year with the league wide lack of offense.

He would be the 11th OPS among qualified compared to Seager at 15th.

France is on the UP arc, Seager on the DOWN.

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Re: Lookout Landing on the trade deadline

Post by IStillLoveTheMs » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:54 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:37 pm
Juliooooo wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:32 pm
Moore needs to turn it around if he's starting anywhere next year. He's not cutting the mustard this year. I expected possibly a little bit of a regression from last year, but nothing like this.
Yep is a a perfect UT not a starter. Sign Semien and or Bryant.
Why not both?

Just stick Bryant at 3B and Semien at 2B.

Make Moore our util w. Fraley as a rotational OF.

DH Haniger and let him play the occasional RF where you then move Bryant to 1B

1. Kelenic LF
2. Haniger DH/RF
3. Semien 2B
4. Bryant 3B/DH/1B
5. Lewis CF
6. France 1B/3B/2B
7. Raleigh C
8. JRod RF
9. Crawford SS

OF Fraley / UT Moore / C Torrens

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Re: Lookout Landing on the trade deadline

Post by bpj » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:57 pm

Why would you limit your team to a Haniger level bat at DH when you could get a return for him and easily sign a (better) DH?

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Re: Lookout Landing on the trade deadline

Post by IStillLoveTheMs » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:00 pm

bpj wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:57 pm
Why would you limit your team to a Haniger level bat at DH when you could get a return for him and easily sign a (better) DH?
A Haniger level bat is a career .820 OPS hitter w. a ceiling of .860 and a floor of .780 at about 30 homers a season w. a full year of control making somewhere around $10 million in arb... who also has rapport w. the team and community.

He costs little, is a good bat, and gives you more flexibility than a basic DH (injuries happen in loads as we've seen).

I find it funny how our best hitter is seen a detriment in some respects :lol: :lol: makes little sense.

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Re: Lookout Landing on the trade deadline

Post by D-train » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:02 pm

IStillLoveTheMs wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:54 pm
D-train wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:37 pm
Juliooooo wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:32 pm
Moore needs to turn it around if he's starting anywhere next year. He's not cutting the mustard this year. I expected possibly a little bit of a regression from last year, but nothing like this.
Yep is a a perfect UT not a starter. Sign Semien and or Bryant.
Why not both?

Just stick Bryant at 3B and Semien at 2B.

Make Moore our util w. Fraley as a rotational OF.

DH Haniger and let him play the occasional RF where you then move Bryant to 1B

1. Kelenic LF
2. Haniger DH/RF
3. Semien 2B
4. Bryant 3B/DH/1B
5. Lewis CF
6. France 1B/3B/2B
7. Raleigh C
8. JRod RF
9. Crawford SS

OF Fraley / UT Moore / C Torrens
Yeah that is why I included the "and". The "or" is tempering my expectation in the spirit of fool me once shame on M's ownership....fool me twice...They said they are going to spend but have heard that before.
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Re: Lookout Landing on the trade deadline

Post by bpj » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:03 pm

IStillLoveTheMs wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:00 pm
bpj wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:57 pm
Why would you limit your team to a Haniger level bat at DH when you could get a return for him and easily sign a (better) DH?
A Haniger level bat is a career .820 OPS hitter w. a ceiling of .860 and a floor of .780 at about 30 homers a season w. a full year of control making somewhere around $10 million in arb... who also has rapport w. the team and community.

He costs little, is a good bat, and gives you more flexibility than a basic DH (injuries happen in loads as we've seen).

I find it funny how our best hitter is seen a detriment in some respects :lol: :lol: makes little sense.
Sounds like a dime a dozen for a DH.

Hangers highest value to the M's is in the OF. On another team.

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Re: Lookout Landing on the trade deadline

Post by D-train » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:05 pm

IStillLoveTheMs wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:00 pm
bpj wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:57 pm
Why would you limit your team to a Haniger level bat at DH when you could get a return for him and easily sign a (better) DH?
A Haniger level bat is a career .820 OPS hitter w. a ceiling of .860 and a floor of .780 at about 30 homers a season w. a full year of control making somewhere around $10 million in arb... who also has rapport w. the team and community.

He costs little, is a good bat, and gives you more flexibility than a basic DH (injuries happen in loads as we've seen).

I find it funny how our best hitter is seen a detriment in some respects :lol: :lol: makes little sense.
What he did before his injury years ago when he was in was in his prime is beyond irrelevant. He is what he is today which is a sub 800 hacker with power and no plate disciple ranked at the bottom of the barrel defensively. 1.3 WAR at the AS break.
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