The True Cost of Draft, Develop & Trade

[D-train]

I'm not parroting anything, I don't believe they went into the off season intent on spending more than they are doing now. I think the budget was set at $150 mil. They haven't reached it yet and there is more off season to go. You're never going to convince me they changed their minds half way through the off season.

I don't think ownership changed their minds. There's no doubt they had already made their minds up.

It's Jerry that seemed to get ahead of himself.

And its not the first time. I think he gets carried away with being a celebrity under the bright lights of his pressers and radio shows and loves getting people excited and doesn't really care if he knows there will be an eventual let down....Him and SBF are prob two peas in a pod.

[bpj]

So long as the budget wasn't changed and lowered this off season it's fine with me.

Well I'd say you're about the only one that supposedly expected them to do this. Although even you claim you expect a $150M roster. I'd say we're looking at $130M after they trade Flexen for a part time LF.

Dipoto said he sees the team as a Top 10 payroll, and that he was looking to add up to 5 players, and has gotten two, and they're sitting somewhere around 20th in payroll.

Now all the decent free agents are gone, so he once again has to trade prospects if he wants to actually fill a hole.

At this point the best we can hope for is some team wanting to take Flexen in exchange for their platoon outfielder.

I'm pretty down on Dipoto obviously. But that's because I believed it when he said he was looking for an impact bat last trade deadline after adding Castillo also, then he didn't do anything else.

Fool me once...

[Donn Beach]

“One of the things that really gets lost in the wash right now with some of what we’ve done with extensions for guys like J.P. Crawford and Julio Rodriguez and Luis Castillo, with some of the escalating player costs that we anticipate with the coming arbitration of guys like Logan Gilbert and George Kirby and Cal Raleigh, (is that) we are very aware of what our future payrolls look like,” he said. “Because the decisions you make today – and this is more difficult for someone who’s not looking more broadly – don’t just affect your 2023 payroll. You’re not going to go from $115 million to $215 million in a year, because what winds up happening is two years from that point, you’re at $315 (million). The escalating costs really do start to pile up.”

. “I think this is a question that I answered last week,” he said. “We went from 23rd in payroll, to 21st in payroll, to 17th in payroll. We’ve been on a steady climb, and we are a middle market. That’s what we are in today’s Major League Baseball. Our payroll has always been a middle to top-10 payroll market. We’ve always spent commensurate with our market or higher. We’ll continue to do that. Our payroll has risen each year of this rebuild. It’s on that trajectory again

That's what I'm getting at, they are budgeting into the future. I didn't know what they planned to do but I didn't expect a big leap in payroll. I also don't think they are withholding funds from dipoto because they don't trust him. You don't make him president if you don't have confidence in his ability. And I believe this is his plan, that's what he is talking about there. It's what he does as president.

[GL_Storm]

I'm not parroting anything, I don't believe they went into the off season intent on spending more than they are doing now. I think the budget was set at $150 mil. They haven't reached it yet and there is more off season to go. You're never going to convince me they changed their minds half way through the off season.

I don't think ownership changed their minds. There's no doubt they had already made their minds up.

It's Jerry that seemed to get ahead of himself.

And its not the first time. I think he gets carried away with being a celebrity under the bright lights of his pressers and radio shows and loves getting people excited and doesn't really care if he knows there will be an eventual let down....Him and SBF are prob two peas in a pod.

The bright lights of Seattle and KIRO 710?

[D-train]

I don't think ownership changed their minds. There's no doubt they had already made their minds up.

It's Jerry that seemed to get ahead of himself.

And its not the first time. I think he gets carried away with being a celebrity under the bright lights of his pressers and radio shows and loves getting people excited and doesn't really care if he knows there will be an eventual let down....Him and SBF are prob two peas in a pod.

The bright lights of Seattle and KIRO 710?

I am sure he years for the brighter lights of the National stage but he hasn't quite got to Cashman status just yet.

[GL_Storm]

“One of the things that really gets lost in the wash right now with some of what we’ve done with extensions for guys like J.P. Crawford and Julio Rodriguez and Luis Castillo, with some of the escalating player costs that we anticipate with the coming arbitration of guys like Logan Gilbert and George Kirby and Cal Raleigh, (is that) we are very aware of what our future payrolls look like,” he said. “Because the decisions you make today – and this is more difficult for someone who’s not looking more broadly – don’t just affect your 2023 payroll. You’re not going to go from $115 million to $215 million in a year, because what winds up happening is two years from that point, you’re at $315 (million). The escalating costs really do start to pile up.”

. “I think this is a question that I answered last week,” he said. “We went from 23rd in payroll, to 21st in payroll, to 17th in payroll. We’ve been on a steady climb, and we are a middle market. That’s what we are in today’s Major League Baseball. Our payroll has always been a middle to top-10 payroll market. We’ve always spent commensurate with our market or higher. We’ll continue to do that. Our payroll has risen each year of this rebuild. It’s on that trajectory again

That's what I'm getting at, they are budgeting into the future. I didn't know what they planned to do but I didn't expect a big leap in payroll. I also don't think they are withholding funds from dipoto because they don't trust him. You don't make him president if you don't have confidence in his ability. And I believe this is his plan, that's what he is talking about there. It's what he does as president.

I think something changed in November. They changed their tune from "yes, we're going to go after these players" to a much more conservative tone pointing out the extensions for Julio and Luis Castillo, along with the trades for Wong and Hernandez. And that's when he started talking about things "cresting" in 2026.

We don't know exactly what happened, but it seems like something did. Maybe they had a preliminary budget set in August which made Jerry think he had more money to spend, but then the org did a reevaluation in late October or early November and decided to pull back a little bit. We don't know for sure, but it seems like something happened to make them change their tune.

[bpj]

“One of the things that really gets lost in the wash right now with some of what we’ve done with extensions for guys like J.P. Crawford and Julio Rodriguez and Luis Castillo, with some of the escalating player costs that we anticipate with the coming arbitration of guys like Logan Gilbert and George Kirby and Cal Raleigh, (is that) we are very aware of what our future payrolls look like,” he said. “Because the decisions you make today – and this is more difficult for someone who’s not looking more broadly – don’t just affect your 2023 payroll. You’re not going to go from $115 million to $215 million in a year, because what winds up happening is two years from that point, you’re at $315 (million). The escalating costs really do start to pile up.”

. “I think this is a question that I answered last week,” he said. “We went from 23rd in payroll, to 21st in payroll, to 17th in payroll. We’ve been on a steady climb, and we are a middle market. That’s what we are in today’s Major League Baseball. Our payroll has always been a middle to top-10 payroll market. We’ve always spent commensurate with our market or higher. We’ll continue to do that. Our payroll has risen each year of this rebuild. It’s on that trajectory again

That's what I'm getting at, they are budgeting into the future. I didn't know what they planned to do but I didn't expect a big leap in payroll. I also don't think they are withholding funds from dipoto because they don't trust him. You don't make him president if you don't have confidence in his ability. And I believe this is his plan, that's what he is talking about there. It's what he does as president.

Yeah and it's a bunch of BS that simple minds just eat up.

They can go from $100M to $160M and those players could be gone in two years so the payroll goes back down.

He's acting like everyone they sign has to be signed forever and it's absolute BS. And there you are, lapping it up.

They could have added decent players on one and two year contracts and it completely destroys that braindead argument.

[GL_Storm]

And its not the first time. I think he gets carried away with being a celebrity under the bright lights of his pressers and radio shows and loves getting people excited and doesn't really care if he knows there will be an eventual let down....Him and SBF are prob two peas in a pod.

The bright lights of Seattle and KIRO 710?

I am sure he years for the brighter lights of the National stage but he hasn't quite got to Cashman status just yet.

I think he wants the Boston job when it opens up in the next year or two. That would not surprise me at all.

[Sexymarinersfan]

https://lukearkins.substack.com/p/no-place-like-home

Joe Doyle has Bryce Miller ranked as Seattle's #1 prospect in their farm system, and he's poised to make his debut sometime this year. Our bullpen about to get more lethal?

[Donn Beach]

The bright lights of Seattle and KIRO 710?

I am sure he years for the brighter lights of the National stage but he hasn't quite got to Cashman status just yet.

I think he wants the Boston job when it opens up in the next year or two. That would not surprise me at all.

He's locked in with the mariners now that he has been given the title of president