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IStillLoveTheMs wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:54 pm

D-train wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:37 pm

Juliooooo wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:32 pm

Moore needs to turn it around if he's starting anywhere next year. He's not cutting the mustard this year. I expected possibly a little bit of a regression from last year, but nothing like this.

Yep is a a perfect UT not a starter. Sign Semien and or Bryant.

Why not both?

Just stick Bryant at 3B and Semien at 2B.

Make Moore our util w. Fraley as a rotational OF.

DH Haniger and let him play the occasional RF where you then move Bryant to 1B

1. Kelenic LF
2. Haniger DH/RF
3. Semien 2B
4. Bryant 3B/DH/1B
5. Lewis CF
6. France 1B/3B/2B
7. Raleigh C
8. JRod RF
9. Crawford SS

OF Fraley / UT Moore / C Torrens

Bryant will be 30, this will be his last contract most likely. Wouldn’t we expect he is going to want a 6-7yr contract for 140-150m??? Be interesting if him or Story would be better over that time with Story be slightly younger

D-train wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:05 pm

IStillLoveTheMs wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:00 pm

bpj wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:57 pm

Why would you limit your team to a Haniger level bat at DH when you could get a return for him and easily sign a (better) DH?

A Haniger level bat is a career .820 OPS hitter w. a ceiling of .860 and a floor of .780 at about 30 homers a season w. a full year of control making somewhere around $10 million in arb... who also has rapport w. the team and community.

He costs little, is a good bat, and gives you more flexibility than a basic DH (injuries happen in loads as we've seen).

I find it funny how our best hitter is seen a detriment in some respects makes little sense.

What he did before his injury years ago when he was in was in his prime is beyond irrelevant. He is what he is today which is a sub 800 hacker with power and no plate disciple ranked at the bottom of the barrel defensively. 1.3 WAR at the AS break.

He is the best hitter on the worst offense in the American League.

In 2017 and 2018 he hit in a lineup w. Jean Segura, Robinson Cano and Nelson Cruz stacked around him.

You don't think his numbers would be better if you stuck him in a lineup where the guys hitting around him weren't hitting .742/.701/.767 ???

desbcoach wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:09 pm

IStillLoveTheMs wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:54 pm

D-train wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:37 pm

Yep is a a perfect UT not a starter. Sign Semien and or Bryant.

Why not both?

Just stick Bryant at 3B and Semien at 2B.

Make Moore our util w. Fraley as a rotational OF.

DH Haniger and let him play the occasional RF where you then move Bryant to 1B

1. Kelenic LF
2. Haniger DH/RF
3. Semien 2B
4. Bryant 3B/DH/1B
5. Lewis CF
6. France 1B/3B/2B
7. Raleigh C
8. JRod RF
9. Crawford SS

OF Fraley / UT Moore / C Torrens

Bryant will be 30, this will be his last contract most likely. Wouldn’t we expect he is going to want a 6-7yr contract for 140-150m??? Be interesting if him or Story would be better over that time with Story be slightly younger

More like 7 years $200 million.

And he doesn't have the insane home/road splits that Story has.

I think he'd (Haniger) be fine as an outfielder for the one season we have him. Average to a bit above.

Sustainable organizations that don't want to be at the top of the payroll spectrum (rest assured the Mariners do not) need to continue stocking the minor leagues when they have expiring players.

We have enough outfielders going forward, better DH's are available and Haniger will bring a solid return from a team that needs a COF this season.

It's a no-brainer imo. If the trade brings good value, you take it.

Mitch since April 25th. .238/.296/.452/.748

IStillLoveTheMs wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:13 pm

desbcoach wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:09 pm

IStillLoveTheMs wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:54 pm

Why not both?

Just stick Bryant at 3B and Semien at 2B.

Make Moore our util w. Fraley as a rotational OF.

DH Haniger and let him play the occasional RF where you then move Bryant to 1B

1. Kelenic LF
2. Haniger DH/RF
3. Semien 2B
4. Bryant 3B/DH/1B
5. Lewis CF
6. France 1B/3B/2B
7. Raleigh C
8. JRod RF
9. Crawford SS

OF Fraley / UT Moore / C Torrens

Bryant will be 30, this will be his last contract most likely. Wouldn’t we expect he is going to want a 6-7yr contract for 140-150m??? Be interesting if him or Story would be better over that time with Story be slightly younger

More like 7 years $200 million.

And he doesn't have the insane home/road splits that Story has.

If that's the case we're more likely to see France at 3B, Moore at 2B and White at 1B.

Bryant is a 5/125 max in my book or I'm walking too.

This year is more proof they don't need to spend yuge to win.

We would be winning with 3 additional players right now and didn't have to spend more than $30M to make it happen (Cruz/Walker/Musgrove, among many others that would have been good additions).

They're not going to have to leverage the future for old guys like Bryant and if they're looking for 7/200 they're nuts and should walk anyways.

IStillLoveTheMs wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:10 pm

D-train wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:05 pm

IStillLoveTheMs wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:00 pm

A Haniger level bat is a career .820 OPS hitter w. a ceiling of .860 and a floor of .780 at about 30 homers a season w. a full year of control making somewhere around $10 million in arb... who also has rapport w. the team and community.

He costs little, is a good bat, and gives you more flexibility than a basic DH (injuries happen in loads as we've seen).

I find it funny how our best hitter is seen a detriment in some respects makes little sense.

What he did before his injury years ago when he was in was in his prime is beyond irrelevant. He is what he is today which is a sub 800 hacker with power and no plate disciple ranked at the bottom of the barrel defensively. 1.3 WAR at the AS break.

He is the best hitter on the worst offense in the American League.

In 2017 and 2018 he hit in a lineup w. Jean Segura, Robinson Cano and Nelson Cruz stacked around him.

You don't think his numbers would be better if you stuck him in a lineup where the guys hitting around him weren't hitting .742/.701/.767 ???

No because pitchers still wouldn't pitch to him knowing he would still hack away.

D-train wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:34 pm

IStillLoveTheMs wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:10 pm

D-train wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:05 pm

What he did before his injury years ago when he was in was in his prime is beyond irrelevant. He is what he is today which is a sub 800 hacker with power and no plate disciple ranked at the bottom of the barrel defensively. 1.3 WAR at the AS break.

He is the best hitter on the worst offense in the American League.

In 2017 and 2018 he hit in a lineup w. Jean Segura, Robinson Cano and Nelson Cruz stacked around him.

You don't think his numbers would be better if you stuck him in a lineup where the guys hitting around him weren't hitting .742/.701/.767 ???

No because pitchers still wouldn't pitch to him knowing he would still hack away.

Maybe he's hacking away because he knows he's the only threat for instant offense in the entire lineup?

Sincerely doubt his OBP would be suffering as much if he had players around him protecting him. He'd likely be taking more walks knowing that he's setting the table for elite hitters behind him versus .700 OPS Seager and .767 OPS Ty France + Torrens, Murphy, or Bauers and their collective shit OPS of like .630.

Moore was .252/.322/.486 from April 30-June 30. That sounds pretty good over a 2 month period, then you remember that he missed almost a full month and realize its only a 1 month sample, and then think about just how bad he had to be the rest of the time to be hitting .180 overall.

I didn't like the Cano contract, nor the Ichiro contract for that matter.... both too long

The only reason I might pay any position player 200 million is if I can cripple a team in my own division while strengthening my own team...and that would probably also be a high school position player nearing the end of his club control... somebody likely 25 or under.Otherwise, I have a cap on 5-6 year contracts.