Very good assessment from USS Mariner

[Sexymarinersfan]

Just a suggestion but rather than pasting the entire blog post, maybe just summarize the main point being made that you agree with. Pasting this giant wall of text makes it kind of hard.

I will dig'em up! Thanks for the feedback.

Thanks Brother!!!!!!

[bhofferb]

In other words, back to the presumption that ALL of the M's prospects will pan out and we'll have a team loaded with All-Stars... in 2022 and beyond. The M's, my memory, have never seemed to add players in order to make the playoffs TODAY! It's always about the prospects. The prospects will lead us to the Promised Land! White, Trammel, JK, Fraley, Crawford, will all get us there. Thing is, you can look at any MLB team and see that typically their "prospects" don't all arrive at the same time or many highly touted turn into fool's gold. Heck, it even happens to veterans. Look at Seager's numbers if you don't believe me.

You have to take advantage NOW. Not next year. There were players out there under club control that would have been worth sending a prospect or two to acquire.

Nobody has ever made that presumption. It's the same shit over and over here. You disagree with someones opinion, so you make shit up because it's easier to argue against some insane thing that nobody believes than it is to try to understand the other side. Are you under the presumption that if Mariners made a few more trades that they were guaranteed to make World series run and win it all?

C'mon, there were plenty of people here saying we needed to dump Haniger because the OF would consist of Lewis, JK and Julio for the next ten years.

[Juliooooo]

In other words, back to the presumption that ALL of the M's prospects will pan out and we'll have a team loaded with All-Stars... in 2022 and beyond. The M's, my memory, have never seemed to add players in order to make the playoffs TODAY! It's always about the prospects. The prospects will lead us to the Promised Land! White, Trammel, JK, Fraley, Crawford, will all get us there. Thing is, you can look at any MLB team and see that typically their "prospects" don't all arrive at the same time or many highly touted turn into fool's gold. Heck, it even happens to veterans. Look at Seager's numbers if you don't believe me.

You have to take advantage NOW. Not next year. There were players out there under club control that would have been worth sending a prospect or two to acquire.

Nobody has ever made that presumption. It's the same shit over and over here. You disagree with someones opinion, so you make shit up because it's easier to argue against some insane thing that nobody believes than it is to try to understand the other side. Are you under the presumption that if Mariners made a few more trades that they were guaranteed to make World series run and win it all?

C'mon, there were plenty of people here saying we needed to dump Haniger because the OF would consist of Lewis, JK and Julio for the next ten years.

C'mon, there were plenty that said we COULD trade him because he is older, still has value, and we have Julio, JK, Lewis, Fraley, DeLoach all coming along well in the Minors. Again, going with Hyperbole about other peoples arguments that you disagree with to make your argument look better. I don't think anyone ever said they NEEDED to trade anyone.

[bhofferb]

Nobody has ever made that presumption. It's the same shit over and over here. You disagree with someones opinion, so you make shit up because it's easier to argue against some insane thing that nobody believes than it is to try to understand the other side. Are you under the presumption that if Mariners made a few more trades that they were guaranteed to make World series run and win it all?

C'mon, there were plenty of people here saying we needed to dump Haniger because the OF would consist of Lewis, JK and Julio for the next ten years.

C'mon, there were plenty that said we COULD trade him because he is older, still has value, and we have Julio, JK, Lewis, Fraley, DeLoach all coming along well in the Minors. Again, going with Hyperbole about other peoples arguments that you disagree with to make your argument look better. I don't think anyone ever said they NEEDED to trade anyone.

There was plenty of commentary about there being no room for Haniger. I'd love if that was the case, but the odds of Lewis, JK and Julio patrolling the M's OF for the next decade are not good. If and when a player gets pushed out by better talent, so be it, but the idea that we can look at the prospect list and see the starting lineup for the next few years is the stuff of fantasy.

[Juliooooo]

C'mon, there were plenty of people here saying we needed to dump Haniger because the OF would consist of Lewis, JK and Julio for the next ten years.

C'mon, there were plenty that said we COULD trade him because he is older, still has value, and we have Julio, JK, Lewis, Fraley, DeLoach all coming along well in the Minors. Again, going with Hyperbole about other peoples arguments that you disagree with to make your argument look better. I don't think anyone ever said they NEEDED to trade anyone.

There was plenty of commentary about there being no room for Haniger. I'd love if that was the case, but the odds of Lewis, JK and Julio patrolling the M's OF for the next decade are not good. If and when a player gets pushed out by better talent, so be it, but the idea that we can look at the prospect list and see the starting lineup for the next few years is the stuff of fantasy.

All of the arguments were about getting Value out of Haniger while they could. He's a FA next year. He probably would have been traded at the Deadline if the Mariners were 8 games out of the wildcard.

[kpak76]

Assuming Toro moves to 3B next season, what would we prefer. Correa at SS and Moore at 2B or JP at SS and Semien at 2B??? I doubt we would consider buying both thus my question....

Why is it an assumption the Mariners move on from Seager? They can still pick up his option and add in the offseason. Their payroll is pretty dang low atm.

[Juliooooo]

Assuming Toro moves to 3B next season, what would we prefer. Correa at SS and Moore at 2B or JP at SS and Semien at 2B??? I doubt we would consider buying both thus my question....

Why is it an assumption the Mariners move on from Seager? They can still pick up his option and add in the offseason. Their payroll is pretty dang low atm.

Honest question, do you expect the Mariners to bring him back?

[kpak76]

Assuming Toro moves to 3B next season, what would we prefer. Correa at SS and Moore at 2B or JP at SS and Semien at 2B??? I doubt we would consider buying both thus my question....

Why is it an assumption the Mariners move on from Seager? They can still pick up his option and add in the offseason. Their payroll is pretty dang low atm.

Honest question, do you expect the Mariners to bring him back?

Id say that depends entirely what happens the rest of the way. If Seager picks it up and is the catalyst for this team making the post season absolutely they pick up his option. His numbers aren't terrible due to his power. If he can pick up another hit or two a week, his numbers would look much better. Is his numbers worth the 18 million option right now? Probably not. I can also see a scenario where he is brought back on a 1 year deal if the team strikes out in FA. He can keep the seat warm for Marte. As the roster stands right now, there is not enough IF that are starting caliber. You have Seager, Torro and Crawford. Thats I see as starting calibur IF. France is a DH and White has yet proven he even belongs in the bigs. You still need more IF for next year even if they bring back Seager.

[D-train]

They could decline the option and offer him less I suppose but I will be surprised if he is back. Semien is younger and better.

[kpak76]

They could decline the option and offer him less I suppose but I will be surprised if he is back. Semien is younger and better.

Semien will have more teams other than the Mariners pursuing him. I like Semien but he is not a game changer. He is a nice piece. On a great year he could be an All Star. I'm not sure he is worth the 20+ million he will be asking for in FA however. I'd much rather the Mariners pay 30+ a year and land one of the marquee names in SS available. The way the roster stands, unless we have a breakout player in the minors, we will need IF help next year. Even with Seager.